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Old 02-07-2005, 09:19 PM   #31
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"As mentioned on ESPN, he never said he was playing to help his team win until the post game show."

What do you think he was playing for? I cant believe that people just couldnt assume that TO was playing to help his team to win, and that he has to publicly state that. Do people believe that he was out there playing to help his team lose?

Also I should say that I am not a big TO fan, but all of this about his showboating, so what, really, if the guy is that good than so what. It's not braging if you can back it up. And so far he can. Just like his td celebrations, if teams or other players dont like them then dont let him score simple as that.
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Old 02-07-2005, 11:08 PM   #32
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Yeah i really don't think race has anything to do with it. Favre is held up like he's a warrior god for whatever reason but I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he is white.
I'm with you in that I don't see any media backlash against TO or even Moss having to do with racism.

The Brett Favre deal is something different though. Sure, he's a tough guy, and has been christened a warrior since he's the brave sturdy southern boy from Mississippi who braved the cold at Lambeau and led his team to victory almost all the time - but the reason Favre, and Greenbay are idolized and idealized so much is cuz they're the original success story of the league - Lombardi, and his 5 championships in the 60s. In this league, it has become anathema to criticize the Packers, any of their players, or their fans since they represent how pro-football started out..,old-school, blue collar, small-town, hardworking people coaching, playing, and most importantly, watching the game. The NFL wants to be seen as preserving that tradition. All the other NFL success stories have been in bigger cities...Dallas, Pitt, DC, NY, San Fran, LA (Rams), and now Boston. Though Pittsburgh is now a big city, it still has those same blue-collar roots, and the Steelers organization and their fans are pampered in much the same way as Green Bay.

The bottom line is that the GB fans deserved all they got from Moss - it is an unforgivable double standard to condone the GB fans mooning of the visiting team's bus, but penalize players that harmlessly stick it to the GB fans.

I idolize TO for desecrating the Star in Texas stadium. He is a true warrior for the way he played yesterday, but he does need to get that stick out of his ass and get over his persecution complex - no one's criticizing him for yesterday's performance...every member of the media I heard was lauding his effort.
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Old 02-07-2005, 11:11 PM   #33
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It's not braging if you can back it up.
Ummm, yes it is.

Bragging - To assert boastfully

Boast - To glorify oneself in speech, talk in a self-admiring way; to speak with excessive pride.
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Old 02-07-2005, 11:31 PM   #34
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Ummm, yes it is.

Bragging - To assert boastfully

Boast - To glorify oneself in speech, talk in a self-admiring way; to speak with excessive pride.
Ok thanks for the vocab lesson, but I think that you proved my point. He "glorifies himself in speech, talks about himself in an admiring way, and speaks with excessiv pride of himself" all because when he steps on the field he can perform. He performed well when it was Young throwing him the ball, when it was Garciea, and now when it is McNabb tossing him the rock.

Do I like the fact the he does it? NO!! But he is one of the best to be playing in todays NFL. I would have more of a problem if it was a reciever like Chris Chambers or Chad Johnson acting in that manner. I mean what have they done? They are both very good recievers true, but they do not performe like Owens, Moss, or Harrison.
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Old 02-08-2005, 12:14 AM   #35
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I have to say that TO really showed a warriors spirit out there last night, although i dont like him he did play well. As far as the race card goes you cant dismiss it as not being a factor to some degree. NFL fans look at him and think "Typical black man", its sad people still think like that but that is the reality. He is 100% correct in making the comparison between him and Favre. If Favre was cocky the media would label him as confident and a fierce competitor that is able to back up what he says. That is the simple truth.
I know I for one don't think that type of an ignorant thought when I see TO or any other cocky player, but I do think "Typical rich, self absorbed man" cuz a lot of athletes now a days think that just because they are gifted physically that whatever they do has more importance than anyone else around them and that everyone should bow down and bask in their glory. Cuz obviously it means you are disrespecting them when u don't grovel at their feet. Sadly there probably r people that have racial motivations in how they look at players, but comparing an ego-maniac coming back from an injury only about a week and a half ahead of schedule for the biggest game of his career to a player that has battled through numerious difficulties in his life added on to never missing a game at one of the toughest positions in about ten years is kind of a joke isn't it? I don't know about anyone else but I've heard quite a few people not pulling many punches on Favres' play at certain times the past few years and usually Favres' the first one to place the blame on himself in those situations. Has anyone heard TO saying anything about his bad play when he got shut down to only a few receptions against the skins and against the steelers or the multiple games he's been shut down in the past?
I don't neccesarily think TO is looked at like a "bad boy" of the nfl, but more likely a very talented clown. How does he expect to be respected when he shows no respect for others?
He played a hell a game, but lets not make it seem like he did something miraculous. I mean he does get paid millions of dollars a year to go out and do what he did last night right?
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Old 02-08-2005, 12:48 AM   #36
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Lost in all of this is the fact that T.O. probably had to sign a waiver so that he could play yesterday. I heard the Eagles may ask him to...MAY?! You're kidding me right? A football player isn't medically cleared to play and decides to anyway. I guarantee the Eagles weren't going to take the heat for him going down and ending his career. I'm positive they made him sign a waiver. I don't care how much the trainer was pushing him to the public, the Eagles wouldn't take that risk.

T.O. decided that he was going to play and that was that. His doctor compared the break in his leg to the one Steve Smith suffered at the begining of the season. It put Steve Smith on the IR. I don't think anyone on this site should question what he did yesterday. 9 catches is 9 catches...hell, the MVP only had 2 more and about 10 more yards. Niether of them got in the end zone, so don't give me this "he never went deep" BS. What he did yesterday was nothing short of miraculous and I gained a tremendous amount of respect for him.

If he signed a waiver, which I have to believe he did, T.O. should be put in the "warrior" class. Hell, I'll put him there even if he didn't. If they had won that game he probably would have been the MVP if it didn't go to McNabb. That was a great effort by a great receiver and I respect him more than just as a good receiver now.
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:47 AM   #37
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Branch had much more of an impact in the game than T.O. did and T.O. was against the depleated injury ridden secondary Pats. He made some fearless moves for someone comming back from injurybut it was the superbowl... SUPERBOWL get it ?
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Old 02-08-2005, 02:18 AM   #38
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Ummm, yes it is.

Bragging - To assert boastfully

Boast - To glorify oneself in speech, talk in a self-admiring way; to speak with excessive pride.
You're thinking Freddie Mitchell. I'd like some T.O. quotes where he glorifies himself. Please do provide some quotes.
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Old 02-08-2005, 07:31 AM   #39
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TO is the hardest working player on the team. Everyone hates him, but he can deal with it. He has the first one in, last one out mentallity to football. I wish the skins had a player with his type of work ethic!
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Also I should say that I am not a big TO fan, but all of this about his showboating, so what, really, if the guy is that good than so what. It's not braging if you can back it up. And so far he can. Just like his td celebrations, if teams or other players dont like them then dont let him score simple as that.
I totally agree. I have no problems with a player like TO because when he hits the field he plays his ass off and he's one of the top WR's in the game. I never had a problem with someone like Deion either, as long as a player can back up their antics on the field I have no problems with them.

Like someone mentioned earlier, TO has never been in any legal trouble, you never hear of him coked up hanging out with strippers, getting caught with weed in his car, getting picked up driving drunk, etc.

As far as athletes go he's a model citizen. So he draws some attention to himself once in a while, who cares?

That being said I tend to prefer a more humble kind of player who just does his job and keeps his mouth shut, but as long as someone like TO can back up his mouth with his play, I don't have a huge problem with it.

I do have problems with someone like Freddie Mitchell who had no business shooting his mouth off.
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Old 02-08-2005, 09:08 AM   #41
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TO is the hardest working player on the team. Everyone hates him, but he can deal with it. He has the first one in, last one out mentallity to football. I wish the skins had a player with his type of work ethic!
I think someone may have already mentioned this but this year I think we saw some of our own guys with a similar amount of heart and dedication. Arrington battled back to play even when the team was out of contention, Thomas came back really early on a bad hammy when the team was out of it, and Coles battled through some tough injuries all year.
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Everybody trying to brush off what TO did needs to move the past the fact that he is an Eagle. I know it was damn Super Bowl. So what? He wasn't medically cleared to play. That means that he shouldn't have played. His doctor said that his career could be ended by playing on that leg. All I said was that TO's stats compared favorably to Branch's. And I think TO's impact was at least comparable to that of Branch's because him playing the way he did had to motivate a lot of the guys on that football team. Don't give me all of this crap how it wasn't that big of a deal just because you don't like him.
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There are redskins with heart, but very few people in the NFL have a work ethic that even resembles TOs.
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If TO didn't play the game wouldn't have been as close. He had a couple of big plays for them and more than anything gave them an emotional boost. I know people have a problem with his antics, but I don't see how anyone can't respect the guy for what he did. He sucked it up and risked his career by playing. If that was one of our guys doing the same thing we would be eating it up.
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Matty's right. And don't give this banged up Pats secondary crap. Only one other receiver over 100 in the playoffs and that was Hines Ward. That secondary shut down Peyton Manning and the Colts. They are more than capable and they've proven that through out the playoffs. TO had a very good game.
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