Grade the Redskins Moves So Far

SBXVII · 04-13-2012, 07:21 PM

I chose "A".

#1- I don't see how anyone would not pick "A" simply if the team got RG3. The moves made to just to get him are "A" quality. Ok did I think too much was given? yes. but the fact still remained we needed a QB to hang their hats on and hopefully after the draft we all can forget about talking about that position as a need.

#2- This team needed an upgrade at WR. Well actually many spots, but getting a QB and not giving him weapons would be stupid. Our WR corps now looks a ton better.

#3- OL is what I think is haning everyone up from giving the team an "A". I know we need an upgrade or atleast more talent. I seriously think since the CAP space was taken away they had to alter their plans. Notice WR and FS/S was picked up. I think OL is going to be fixed in the draft. Picking up a RT and a G would help a ton. Remember it was only the OL's second year learing the blocking scheme and with some it was their first yr because of the change over. The OL looked a lot better towards the end of the season and with a few additions should be a lot better.

ArtMonkDrillz · 04-13-2012, 07:53 PM

With the news that Fletcher as finally been re-signed I'd like to bump my former C+ up to a B. The curve has been set.

skinsnut · 04-13-2012, 10:09 PM

Now that Fletcher is signed, and we have guaranteed a potential franchise rookie QB...it is easy...anything after this is gravy...we really only have a couple potential starter roles up for grabs...oline, safety and nickleback....WR is covered..that frankly is pretty good.

Every year, every squad will have 3-4 starter roles up for grabs...this is a good sign...last year and the year before we were transitioning our entire front 7, oline, WR's RBs...etc

I gave them a B

skinsnut · 04-13-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I would call this the biggest move we have made in Redskins history.

I would say this RGIII trade comment is an overstatement.
It is arguable that this isn't even the biggest QB trade in Redskins history...ever hear of an inter-divisional trade involving a guy named Sonny?

And in terms of just QB's...and "biggest moves" and not"trades...ever hear of Sammy Baugh?...Championships, Hall of Fame? Move from Boston to DC?

Don't get me wrong..it is a major dice roll...but unless RGIII ends up a perennial Pro-bowler, or even an occasional one, it is another Redskins mistake.
Sure, if he wins multiple Superbowls, I will agree...but until then....he is just another rookie with more Skins Fan's high hopes.

I like him too...but he is just a single player that hasn't done anything yet...which is why we now have a reasonable rookie cap.
I hope as strongly as you do...I just recommend a more tempered level of expectation.

skinsnut · 04-13-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Following year I don't know about that. I don't think Haslett has ever really comfortably established himself here and I don't believe he and Shanahan (Mike) always see eye to eye.

Anyhow, there are plenty of people who believe that ultimately MS will move full-time up stairs and the new leaders of the team on the field will be Kyle and Raheem-with one as head coach and the other as assistant/associate head coach/coordinator.

But I don't expect that to be next year

Now, this was a serious question and serious insight on the long term future of the Skins....Morris as DC sounds promising...even HC potential sounds interesting...Shanny JR was 2 years ago a sure thing in the minds of many as a future HC...now...not so much...we shall see.

It is good to have 2 potential HC on staff....ever remember the old days when most of us were freaking out because Gregg Williams was spurned as successor of Gibbs II....boy was I wrong!

T.O.Killa · 04-13-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

I would say this RGIII trade comment is an overstatement.
It is arguable that this isn't even the biggest QB trade in Redskins history...ever hear of an inter-divisional trade involving a guy named Sonny?

And in terms of just QB's...and "biggest moves" and not"trades...ever hear of Sammy Baugh?...Championships, Hall of Fame? Move from Boston to DC?

Don't get me wrong..it is a major dice roll...but unless RGIII ends up a perennial Pro-bowler, or even an occasional one, it is another Redskins mistake.
Sure, if he wins multiple Superbowls, I will agree...but until then....he is just another rookie with more Skins Fan's high hopes.

I like him too...but he is just a single player that hasn't done anything yet...which is why we now have a reasonable rookie cap.
I hope as strongly as you do...I just recommend a more tempered level of expectation.

Yes I have heard of them, but show were it cost as much to make the trade. SHOW ME!! Were are talking about the MOVES, not the end result.

REDSKINS4ever · 04-14-2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Now, this was a serious question and serious insight on the long term future of the Skins....Morris as DC sounds promising...even HC potential sounds interesting...Shanny JR was 2 years ago a sure thing in the minds of many as a future HC...now...not so much...we shall see.

It is good to have 2 potential HC on staff....ever remember the old days when most of us were freaking out because Gregg Williams was spurned as successor of Gibbs II....boy was I wrong!

It's good to have experience on the coaching staffs. A lot of NFL have coordinators and even position coaches who were once head coaches or those who will likely be head coaches in the future. If Raheem Morris ends up being the head coach of the Redskins someday, that would be a good thing. I'm not sure Kyle Shanahan is ready for such a demanding position.

SBXVII · 04-14-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

Now, this was a serious question and serious insight on the long term future of the Skins....Morris as DC sounds promising...even HC potential sounds interesting...Shanny JR was 2 years ago a sure thing in the minds of many as a future HC...now...not so much...we shall see.

It is good to have 2 potential HC on staff....ever remember the old days when most of us were freaking out because Gregg Williams was spurned as successor of Gibbs II....boy was I wrong!

I think there is a lot we don't know and a little that we do. All we know is what we see. How much wiggle room was KS given by his father? I look at the first year and ignore it because I think it was more the coaching staff getting to know what they had. Then they pretty much got rid of half the players. On top of that they really didn't have a running game that first year so I think KS was given more play calls. The second year I think MS took more control and added more of the running game.

Basically I think this year will be more telling. With a better running game, better QB play, an upgrade at WR and hopefully with a OL that knows their assignments better we will see better plays and better play calls.

SBXVII · 04-14-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

It's good to have experience on the coaching staffs. A lot of NFL have coordinators and even position coaches who were once head coaches or those who will likely be head coaches in the future. If Raheem Morris ends up being the head coach of the Redskins someday, that would be a good thing. I'm not sure Kyle Shanahan is ready for such a demanding position.

WT? come on man, how can you know? Morris sucked which is why he was fired. KS's offensive scheme is not that bad so I doubt he would do as bad as Morris did.

diehardskin2982 · 04-14-2012, 04:04 PM

Wow, this thread lasted longer than I thought it would originally. Thanks Smoot for the changes.

REDSKINS4ever · 04-14-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

WT? come on man, how can you know? Morris sucked which is why he was fired. KS's offensive scheme is not that bad so I doubt he would do as bad as Morris did.

Maybe, maybe not. I like Kyle Shanahan as an offensive coordinator. Whether he does well enough on a consistent basis in order to become a head coach is another thing altogether. Norv Turner was probably the best offensive coordinator in the modern NFL but his head coaching record is one of the worst. Josh McDaniels was one of the best offensive coordinators of recent time, but he was terrible as a head coach. George Seifert was another great offensive coordinator and inherited a winning 49ers team when Bill Walsh stepped down. But since winning a Super Bowl in 1989 and 1994, Seifert most recent head coaching gig was with the Carolina Panthers in 2001 before he was fired after a 1-15 season.

Lately, it has been the defensive coordinators who mostly succeed as head coaches in the NFL.

Whether Kyle Shanahan becomes a head coach with the Redskins or for any other team in the NFL remains to be seen.

SkinItup · 04-15-2012, 04:09 AM

A

I have hope, but then again every year I do.

Griffin will make the O line look better. We will not reach the playoffs next year. We will be within a gm of 500.

sdskinsfan2001 · 04-15-2012, 02:06 PM

A+
1.We got RGIII, RGIII, did anyone watch the guy play? Awesome QB.
2. We only gave up 1 pick in the next 3 drafts to get him (2nd this year, 2 # 1's). I don't count #6 because we didn't lose that pick we improved it. You can find good starters and depth in the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds this year and then starting with the 2nd round the next 2 seasons. Just look at our last draft.
3. We got Pierre Garcon, who going into FA I was hoping we would get instead of V. Jax. He can be a # 1 receiver and with RGIII there will be some explosive plays that we have always lacked. I miss Gary Clark, my favorite football player of all time.
4. We resigned Fletcher and Carriker to keep our front 7 intact.
5. We signed A LOT of depth in the secondary position. I can live with Hall, Wilson, and Griffin as our top 3 corners. With Williams, Jackson, Gomes, and Merriweather as our safeties.
6. O-line will be a work in progress with in the draft, but we did resign 2 of our guys plus James Lee for some tackle depth.
7. We got freaking RGIII!!!

Its time to finally start thinking positive about the franchise we root for, no more doomsday attitudes.

CultBrennan59 · 04-15-2012, 03:17 PM

B

You didn't need Josh Morgan. Should have gone after Eddie more than Josh. Shouldn't have gone after really either Eddie or Josh, and should have gone after Eric Winston.

Ruhskins · 04-15-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

B

You didn't need Josh Morgan. Should have gone after Eddie more than Josh. Shouldn't have gone after really either Eddie or Josh, and should have gone after Eric Winston.

Well apparently Winston didn't want to come here.

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04-13-2012, 07:21 PM	#121
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Grade the Redskins Moves So Far I chose "A". #1- I don't see how anyone would not pick "A" simply if the team got RG3. The moves made to just to get him are "A" quality. Ok did I think too much was given? yes. but the fact still remained we needed a QB to hang their hats on and hopefully after the draft we all can forget about talking about that position as a need. #2- This team needed an upgrade at WR. Well actually many spots, but getting a QB and not giving him weapons would be stupid. Our WR corps now looks a ton better. #3- OL is what I think is haning everyone up from giving the team an "A". I know we need an upgrade or atleast more talent. I seriously think since the CAP space was taken away they had to alter their plans. Notice WR and FS/S was picked up. I think OL is going to be fixed in the draft. Picking up a RT and a G would help a ton. Remember it was only the OL's second year learing the blocking scheme and with some it was their first yr because of the change over. The OL looked a lot better towards the end of the season and with a few additions should be a lot better.

04-13-2012, 07:53 PM	#122
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 30 Posts: 7,757	Re: Grade the Redskins Moves So Far With the news that Fletcher as finally been re-signed I'd like to bump my former C+ up to a B. The curve has been set. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

04-13-2012, 10:09 PM	#123
skinsnut The Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,171	Re: Grade the Redskins Moves So Far Now that Fletcher is signed, and we have guaranteed a potential franchise rookie QB...it is easy...anything after this is gravy...we really only have a couple potential starter roles up for grabs...oline, safety and nickleback....WR is covered..that frankly is pretty good. Every year, every squad will have 3-4 starter roles up for grabs...this is a good sign...last year and the year before we were transitioning our entire front 7, oline, WR's RBs...etc I gave them a B __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

04-14-2012, 04:04 PM	#130
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,924	Re: Grade the Redskins Moves So Far Wow, this thread lasted longer than I thought it would originally. Thanks Smoot for the changes. __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

04-15-2012, 04:09 AM	#132
SkinItup Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 155	Re: Grade the Redskins Moves So Far A I have hope, but then again every year I do. Griffin will make the O line look better. We will not reach the playoffs next year. We will be within a gm of 500.

04-15-2012, 02:06 PM	#133
sdskinsfan2001 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 29 Posts: 453	Re: Grade the Redskins Moves So Far A+ 1.We got RGIII, RGIII, did anyone watch the guy play? Awesome QB. 2. We only gave up 1 pick in the next 3 drafts to get him (2nd this year, 2 # 1's). I don't count #6 because we didn't lose that pick we improved it. You can find good starters and depth in the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds this year and then starting with the 2nd round the next 2 seasons. Just look at our last draft. 3. We got Pierre Garcon, who going into FA I was hoping we would get instead of V. Jax. He can be a # 1 receiver and with RGIII there will be some explosive plays that we have always lacked. I miss Gary Clark, my favorite football player of all time. 4. We resigned Fletcher and Carriker to keep our front 7 intact. 5. We signed A LOT of depth in the secondary position. I can live with Hall, Wilson, and Griffin as our top 3 corners. With Williams, Jackson, Gomes, and Merriweather as our safeties. 6. O-line will be a work in progress with in the draft, but we did resign 2 of our guys plus James Lee for some tackle depth. 7. We got freaking RGIII!!! Its time to finally start thinking positive about the franchise we root for, no more doomsday attitudes.

04-15-2012, 03:17 PM	#134
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,568	Re: Grade the Redskins Moves So Far B You didn't need Josh Morgan. Should have gone after Eddie more than Josh. Shouldn't have gone after really either Eddie or Josh, and should have gone after Eric Winston. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

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