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Old 02-12-2005, 10:11 AM   #46
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offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !
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Old 02-12-2005, 01:13 PM   #47
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offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !
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Sorry, Didn't Intend To Post That 3 Times.
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Old 02-12-2005, 08:43 PM   #49
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ok offiss, your claims about lavar are fair ones, i just happen to disagree with you. personally, i feel lavar is a better player than you claim he is but never-the-less we'll just have to disagree on this one. thanks for the good discussion.
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Old 02-12-2005, 10:55 PM   #50
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lavar could be elite if he were to be more of a student of the game, he relies solely on his athletic ability. With that being said, Lavar is in on everyplay, and is there for every tackle. Most of that has to do with his natural ability and insticnts. When you have a guy like lavar in the game he shuts down a side of the field. Plays are made opposite him solely becuase of his athletic ability to get there. If you have lavar on one side and taylor on the other you know big plays are going to start to happen. Mabye not by them, but they are creating opportunites for the other team to force something. Lavar doesnt need to be the leader on our defense, pierce can call the plays. But if you have two freaks of nature on the field it only makes you that much better
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Where you would you guys rate LaVar in terms of the best outside linebackers in the league?

Top 5? Top 10? If you say outside of the Top 10 I want to see a list!
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Old 02-13-2005, 08:31 AM   #52
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easily top 10 , i would say , and possibly top 5
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lbs I'd say were better than lavar would be in particular order, R. Lewis(even though I think he's overrated he's still pretty damn good), Derrick Brooks, Keith Brooking, Takeo Spikes, and when healthy Julian Peterson. I think unless he sharpens his mental aspect of the game, Marcus will pass him on the list as will players like Vilma and Keith Bullock. but right now I'd place him in the top 6-8 area and has the capability to be top 3.
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Old 02-13-2005, 05:01 PM   #54
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Wolf people with brains actually got your back anyone who says that our defense would be the same w/o lavar is dumb. For example not to dish on Marshall( he did great in his situation coming in for the best lolb in the leage) but ESPN put out its 2004-2005 allstar team. On defense, Marcus Washington was named best SLB in the leage!!!! then Pierce best middle in any 4-3 Deffense and Farrior and Spike took the other two spots, I see 2 redskins but not the third guy, THIS PROVES WE WOULD BE BETTER. EVERY DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THE TEAM IMPROVED "THE NO-NAME DEFENSE" IT IS IDIOTIC TO SAY THE ONLY PLAYER WITH A NAME PRIOR TO THE BEGGINING OF THE SEASON WOULD NOT IMPROVE, BOWEN WAS GREAT IN THE FIRST GAME BUT JUST OK LAST YEAR, SMOOT HAS IMPROVED AND WE ARE BETTER WITHOUT TROTTER,ARMSTEAD, AND BAILEY. ARRINGTON WOULD HAVE IMPROVED TO BE THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER THEREFORE MVP. HE GETS INJURED AND ALL YOU F#$#s descide he should be traded, what the hell is wrong with you. THIS MAN UNLIKE SMOOT IS NOT ARRGUING FOR EXTRA MONEY WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY HIS, HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE TEAM THROUGH THAT TROUBLE. HE HAS HEART AND HALF OF YOU SEEM THAT IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GET A B##$# LIKE SMOOT BACK HE USED TO BE MY FAVORITE PLAYER BUT ARGUES FOR 2 MILLION DOLLORS AND IS PREPARED TO LEAVE. WTF. ARRINGTON IS LOSING 7 MILLION AND SAYS ITS OK AND THAT HE WILL FORGIVE BUT NOT FORGET. ANSWER BACK AND I'LL GIVE YOU REASONS TO ANY DEFENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRADE HIM

THINK ABOUT 3-4 WHICH WILLIAMS LIKES WITH ARRINGTON, BARROW, PIERCE AND WASHINGTON WHO ESPN NAMED THE BEST LINEBACKERS AT THIER POSITIONS!!
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BigSKINBauer. First of all, Lavar decided NOT to drop the arbitration even though both his agent, himself, and the NFLPA read the contract and signed it. Meaning that six million dollars is not his. He's already the highest paid linebacker in football, and if he signed a contract without it, fuck him. He can go weep in his 20 room mansion, but I'm sure no one will hear him.

Have something to tell you here - players push for cash when they're free agents. You'd do the exact same thing Smoot is doing. Arrington is very undiciplined and is too much of a fool to be as big of a commodity as you see him. A linebacker telling the front office he should have a say in personel decesions? A linebacker who doesn't want to be a student of the game. A linebacker that talks about being a leader till the going gets tough. Lavar is the 2nd most gifted defensive player we have. His physical attributes are great. However, Lavar has a long way to go to be a great player.

Williams likes the 3-4 defense huh? Guess that's why he's never run one in the tenure of his career, maybe a few formations, but a majority of his defense is played out of the 4-3, always has been.

BigSKINBauer - people with brains refrain from talking in all caps and come into a conversation with at least a few facts. I suggest you do the same.

No one is asking for LaVar to be traded - his cap number simply wouldn't allow it. However, if you tell me we can have the best WR in the league for Arrington, I'd take it in a heart beat. It's hypothetical, but Marshall played solid at LaVars position. Had Lavar been there, we would have had more spectacular plays, but we also would have had more over-run and big gain plays for the other team. Our defense will be slightly better with Lavar, but not enough to make THAT big of a difference.
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Wolf people with brains actually got your back anyone who says that our defense would be the same w/o lavar is dumb. For example not to dish on Marshall( he did great in his situation coming in for the best lolb in the leage) but ESPN put out its 2004-2005 allstar team. On defense, Marcus Washington was named best SLB in the leage!!!! then Pierce best middle in any 4-3 Deffense and Farrior and Spike took the other two spots, I see 2 redskins but not the third guy, THIS PROVES WE WOULD BE BETTER. EVERY DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THE TEAM IMPROVED "THE NO-NAME DEFENSE" IT IS IDIOTIC TO SAY THE ONLY PLAYER WITH A NAME PRIOR TO THE BEGGINING OF THE SEASON WOULD NOT IMPROVE, BOWEN WAS GREAT IN THE FIRST GAME BUT JUST OK LAST YEAR, SMOOT HAS IMPROVED AND WE ARE BETTER WITHOUT TROTTER,ARMSTEAD, AND BAILEY. ARRINGTON WOULD HAVE IMPROVED TO BE THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER THEREFORE MVP. HE GETS INJURED AND ALL YOU F#$#s descide he should be traded, what the hell is wrong with you. THIS MAN UNLIKE SMOOT IS NOT ARRGUING FOR EXTRA MONEY WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY HIS, HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE TEAM THROUGH THAT TROUBLE. HE HAS HEART AND HALF OF YOU SEEM THAT IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GET A B##$# LIKE SMOOT BACK HE USED TO BE MY FAVORITE PLAYER BUT ARGUES FOR 2 MILLION DOLLORS AND IS PREPARED TO LEAVE. WTF. ARRINGTON IS LOSING 7 MILLION AND SAYS ITS OK AND THAT HE WILL FORGIVE BUT NOT FORGET. ANSWER BACK AND I'LL GIVE YOU REASONS TO ANY DEFENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRADE HIM

THINK ABOUT 3-4 WHICH WILLIAMS LIKES WITH ARRINGTON, BARROW, PIERCE AND WASHINGTON WHO ESPN NAMED THE BEST LINEBACKERS AT THIER POSITIONS!!

Speak up, we can barely hear you.

While I agree that this defense would be better with LaVar on the outside starting, instead of Marshall I don't think that those that think otherwise-such as Offiss-are F#$#$ for thinking otherwise.

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the bonus in question is rightfully his but he hasn't abandoned the case. The case is still expected to be disputed, sometime in June I think.

As for Smoot, he's a free agent and he's negotiating for the best deal he can possibly get. LaVar would be doing the same if he were in the same boat right now.
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Old 02-13-2005, 05:30 PM   #57
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he gets hurt and you all turn on him wtf
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he gets hurt and you all turn on him wtf

Were all turning on him?? I'm pretty sure 90% of the people on this site are agreeing that our defense is going to be much better with LaVar back. Now, I disagree with Offiss, but I will vouch for him and say that he has had this opinion for a while; he didnt just turn on him.
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lavar could be elite if he were to be more of a student of the game, he relies solely on his athletic ability. With that being said, Lavar is in on everyplay, and is there for every tackle.

“Did someone call LaVar a leader? Classic comedy! Whiner - not a leader” Daseal

It's his lack of concentration and education to play his position. He overpursues many, many plays. As many big plays as LaVar makes, he also gives up a big play with counters, etc.
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I don't see LaVar as the leader of our defense. To me - Fred Smoot has that role. Daseal


I am not a big Lavar fan he's way overated, he's judged by his athletisism and not as a football player in which I think he is not, he's just another physically gifted player who doesn't have an instinct for the game.
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Ive said it before and I'll say it again, I would love to see LA traded ---irish

Sorry to tell you this buddy but LaVar is not that good ---saden1

(RAY LEWIS OVER RATED - 114.875 tackles a year omitting hurt year) My opinion

heh, LaVar has been labeled overrated for some time. He's exciting to watch and has a personallity like McNabb's that draws the media to him. However, Peppers is an amazing player who would impact our defense more. I'd like to see a poll on who you'd take - peppers or lavar. It would be interesting (assuming no salary cap implications, etc.) DEASEL

lavar could be elite if he were to be more of a student of the game, he relies solely on his athletic ability. With that being said, Lavar is in on everyplay, and is there for every tackle.
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