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Old 04-25-2012, 08:49 AM   #46
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what the hell are you talking about? Hes been one of the worst kickers percentage-wise in the league the last couple years.

Dont mince words, Gano is horrible
Be easy on the guy Chico!!! If it wasnt for some of his misses we wouldnt be gettin RGIII!! Its the class theory thingy water stuff.....
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:05 AM   #47
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When I see Gano and a reference to his skills as "elite" I tend to freak out. sorry
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:14 AM   #48
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either get it done or dont. he hasnt. This is not last year but his entire, short career. the percentages are on him. We will see how many Big Rack has blocked.
So now kickers are responsible for their own blocking. Got it.


I understand that he was inconsistent his first year, but wasn't David Akers when he was here? I'm sure guys like you were wanting him pushed out of town too. He did fine last year with kicks under his control (read...not blocked) so let's let the guy develop please.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:18 AM   #49
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So now kickers are responsible for their own blocking. Got it.


I understand that he was inconsistent his first year, but wasn't David Akers when he was here? I'm sure guys like you were wanting him pushed out of town too. He did fine last year with kicks under his control (read...not blocked) so let's let the guy develop please.
Completely agree with you in terms of the blocked field goals. There were definitely two situations in which a blocker came free to block the field goal last offseason. In one case, Fred Davis did not chip at one of the defenders coming from the outside. And the other is the Calais Campbell one that I've been joking about on this thread. I forgot who it was, but two Redskins players let Campbell go through untouched.

I just found this on youtube, this basically shows Will Montgomery (#63) get completely owned by Red Bryant in both FG blocks:

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So now kickers are responsible for their own blocking. Got it.


I understand that he was inconsistent his first year, but wasn't David Akers when he was here? I'm sure guys like you were wanting him pushed out of town too. He did fine last year with kicks under his control (read...not blocked) so let's let the guy develop please.
Is there any evidence that kickers get better with age/experience? I'm not so sure how much developing a kicker can really do.
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I would be curious to see the breakdown and percentages with each distance.
Ask and you shall receive. From last season:
Rackers:
18-29: 14/14, 100%
30-39: 10/11, 90.9%
40-49: 4/8, 50%
50+: 4/5, 80%
Gano:
18-29: 14/15, 93.3%
30-39: 5/9, 55.6%
40-49: 8/11, 72.3%
50+: 4/6, 66.7%

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Old 04-25-2012, 09:32 AM   #52
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Ask and you shall receive. From last season:
Rackers:
18-29 30-39 40-49 50+
14/14 10/11 4/8 4/5
100% 90.9% 50% 80%

Gano:
18-29 30-39 40-49 50+
14/15 5/9 8/11 4/6
93.3% 55.6% 72.3% 66.7%

(source: Sports Illustrated)
I wonder how those numbers shake out if blocked kicks are removed.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:34 AM   #53
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2010 NFL Player Kicking Stats - National Football League - ESPN

go to kicking percentages: 2010: 68% worst in the league

2011: massive improvement: 3rd worst in the league at 75.6%


oh then the Sushi arguement: 74.2%, worst in the league last year for Pittsburgs. Guess I was right bout him too.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:36 AM   #54
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Gano numbers


(without blocks)


FGA - 41
FGM - 36 (add 5 due to blocks)


FG % - 87.8%




That's a 12% increase from the 75% he's currently at due to those blocks. You do realize if those 5 kicks aren't blocked he's ranked as one of the best FG kickers in the league? It's amazing what a 12% swing on your stats will do. From goat to hero.
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oh so you automatically count the block field goals as makes? brillant.

Well with Gano's historical percentages, you should right?
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:39 AM   #56
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Can't believe it hasn't been posted yet:

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Gano's percentage is pretty bad. I thought it was interesting that he was near the top at the 40-49 range, while he is near the bottom or in the middle below that range. A low FG percentage shouldn't guarantee you a spot on the team, and I welcome competition. Still, I feel that Gano gets a hounded more for those blocked FG (which are not his fault).

In the end, I really don't want the team to depend on FGs anymore, so I am not going to get worked up over whether we should keep Gano or Rackers.
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oh so you automatically count the block field goals as makes? brillant.

Well with Gano's historical percentages, you should right?
Well, probably makes more sense to take the attempts away, so 31 out of 36 non blocked attempts. Still gives Gano an 86%. That's not bad, but you may argue that he's responsible for half his blocks (too slow to the kick, too low a kicking angle) so then 31 out of 39, which would put him at 79%. I don't know where that puts him in terms of the league. In my mind, it certainly doesn't equate with an unchallenged spot on the team, but it also doesn't equate to being let go as a failed kicker.

I do remember the GB overtime game where he came on and won it, just one game, but it was an extremely clutch kick, and I think he has the make up to be a long term kicker in this league.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:45 AM   #59
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oh so you automatically count the block field goals as makes? brillant.

Well with Gano's historical percentages, you should right?
I don't care about Gano nor I am an apologist, but I do like to argue just for the sake of argument. Have you seen those blocked FGs? Have you seen the terrible job players in the line did in all of those situations? You make good points on the low FG pct and the missed FGs. And that alone should call for a FG competition...but just let the blocked FGs go.

If you want to call out mediocrity, see Will Montgomery getting blasted and allowing two FGs to be blocked in the Seattle game.
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oh so you automatically count the block field goals as makes? brillant.

Well with Gano's historical percentages, you should right?
You are correct that we should not count blocks as made field goals. Instead, let's just subtract them as attempts. That leaves Gano at 24/30 which is 80%. This number is more respectable...although still in the bottom half of the league.
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