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Old 04-29-2012, 11:48 PM   #16
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

I honestly don't care how many wins we have. What I'm looking for this year is our young talent improving. People I'm not interested in this year are Moss, Cooley, Hall, and Fletcher. Everyone else I'm looking for improvement in their play.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:59 PM   #17
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

I see us as a 6-8 win team this year. While RG3 shows great promise, most rookie QBs still have negative TD/INT ratios. We have relatively unknown commodities at WR. We have some injury prone players.

I'm excited to see our front 7 on defense and our upgraded offense. That said, I think we'll see signs of improvement - which should save everyone's job. Give Griff and the new WRs time to pick up the scheme and get used to each other.

I'm excited for the potential, but realistic with results. Anything can happen, but I don't see us being a good team. I think we got some gifts with the schedule.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:43 AM   #18
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

Just remember that the transition to the NFL game does take time so do not expect unrealistic results in RGIII's first campaign.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:16 AM   #19
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Just remember that the transition to the NFL game does take time so do not expect unrealistic results in RGIII's first campaign.
...but then you start thinking: Cincy had great results during Dalton's rookie campaign. Even Carolina without the results was a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:44 AM   #20
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

If people start questioning the aquisition of RGIII anytime before the bye week barring worse than Grossman like play, I think my head might explode.
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Old 04-30-2012, 07:04 AM   #21
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

The Skins arent very entertaining to watch lately so anything that adds some excitement will be good but that excitement will only last so long, improvement is definitely a must.
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Old 04-30-2012, 07:36 AM   #22
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

Nothing is more exciting than winning
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:49 AM   #23
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Nothing is more exciting than winning
My thoughts exactly. Winning cures all ills.
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:57 AM   #24
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

if the offense struggles and our loses are in the double digits, Snyder will give Shanny the ultimatum either fire Kyle or both of you are leaving. Kyle's got so much to prove this year its not funny.

excitement is not enough this year
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:18 AM   #25
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

Cam just had nice numbers and Dalton was an exception to the rule.
Look at the first seasons of top 10 drafted QBs and you can get the picture. I am excited and expecting great results but I am prepping for some growing pains.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:00 AM   #26
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Playoffs, anything less then that is a disappointment.
I am pretty sure that yours' was a sarcastic comment, but just to follow up. The NFC East is going to beat itself up this coming year, just like it always does. Both the Eagles and Cowboys have made good moves this offseason, addressing their team needs with multiple talented players. I obviously think we have too. Hard to say exactly what we need to see in terms of win/loss, but what I really want to see, in order to not be on the fire KS bandwagon, is an up tempo, full fledged attack offense, with a solid 2 minute drill. Griffin certainly knows how to move at a fast pace, cardio won't be an issue, so if we are slow as molasses in those moments, I will be looking at OC first with an unpleasant eye.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:24 AM   #27
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

HELL NO, SUPER BOWL OR BUST!

Kidding aside, improvement is expected-simply being more entertaining and exciting won't do it. A healthy roster is probably in the 8 win range with the playoffs being an outside possibility. The difficult thing is we've got a hill to climb in the NFC East. Philly should be more consistent, NYG are always solid and prior to 2011 pretty much owned us and we have to overcome collapsing against Dallas. We're not far off, actually we were 3 snaps (4th & 18, broken play long TD pass to Witten, missed Gano FG in OT) from being 4-2 in the division with sweeps over Dallas and NYG.

I'm probably in the minority in believing this but the moves made in this offseason and this draft were more about 2013 and beyond than 2012. The Cousins pick (and really all non RGIII picks) speaks to the 5 year plan Shanahan has referenced and shows his attempt to build the roster for the long term through the draft. If everyone from the 2011 & 2012 draft class make the team, that's 21 first and second year players. The franchise QB is in place, now it's time for the team to grow around him.

Despite the wishes of some around these here parts, the RGIII move bought Shanahan (yes, both of them) another contract. There's no way that absent a complete 1-15 debacle where RGIII turns into Andre Ware 2.0 that they aren't given ample time to grow and develop him. No way will Snyder allow another coach/system changing debacle like Campbell happen with Griffin.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:29 AM   #28
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

We're still the worst team in the NFC East. This is still a 5-6 win team. Not looking for a jump in wins til 2013 and beyond.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:33 AM   #29
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We're still the worst team in the NFC East. This is still a 5-6 win team. Not looking for a jump in wins til 2013 and beyond.
What caused you to reach this conclusion? We won 5 games with Rex/Beck at the helm, it's reasonable to think RG3 will provide enough of an upgrade over Grossman, even in his first season, that we can win at least a couple more games. Grossman and Beck probably cost us a few games last season.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:34 AM   #30
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Re: Is excitement enough in 2012?

I see more reasons for optimism than pessimism, actually. I think we're 8-8 or 9-7 here, with the only thing keeping us from 10-6 or 11-5 being the indiscretion of a youthful QB - turnovers.

First off, we were incredibly injured last year. Injured and suspended. The return of healthy players alone is enough to stabilize us a bit. Lichtensteiger was really missed along the offensive line when he went down - it caused us to shuffle pieces that never really fit. And obviously Trent for those last four games. And Brown's hip still wasn't right - by Shanahan's account there's reason to hope that he's in better health this season.

Jarvis Jenkins never got a chance to make an impact for us - he adds depth. Getting rid of Landry is addition by subtraction in a way. You lose quite a talent but at least you have a healthy player in his spot.

Fred Davis returning from suspension and Chris Cooley coming back gives us TE depth. Remember, we were 3-1 at one point before the injuries really started mounting up. Not that we could have gone 12-4 with that team last year, but with health I don't see why 7-9 or 8-8 was unachievable.

Then we get to the improvements - hello real WRs. No star at WR still, but the depth is miles better than it was last year. And lastly, the obvious - QB. Griffin is going to make plenty of mistakes but I think he's going to move the ball. Our offensive line may not be perfect, but he's going to rip off the occasional long TD run when the line breaks down and he escapes.

You have to expect a rookie QB to make mistakes and throw INTs. But Grossman threw 20 last year in like 13 games started, plus he lost 5 more fumbles. I think that's even a lot of turnovers for a rookie. So what I'm saying is, Griffin really can't be worse than Rex was last year.

We'll get torched on long TD passes because I don't love our secondary. And Griffin will make mistakes. But the supporting cast is healthy and deep enough now for us to at least be in the playoff conversation in the month of December.
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