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Old 04-30-2012, 10:45 AM   #31
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Thinking more about it, the biggest reason for optimism is that one of the weaknesses of the team - pass protection, has largely been mitigated by adding RG3's ability to escape.

The 5 sack-fumbles that Grossman lost last year all could turn into positive plays with Griffin back there. He's just frankly not going to get sacked that often.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:02 AM   #32
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What caused you to reach this conclusion? We won 5 games with Rex/Beck at the helm, it's reasonable to think RG3 will provide enough of an upgrade over Grossman, even in his first season, that we can win at least a couple more games. Grossman and Beck probably cost us a few games last season.
Exactly. Our QB play was plainly incompetent last year. There was no overcoming that.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:04 AM   #33
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What caused you to reach this conclusion? We won 5 games with Rex/Beck at the helm, it's reasonable to think RG3 will provide enough of an upgrade over Grossman, even in his first season, that we can win at least a couple more games. Grossman and Beck probably cost us a few games last season.
If for no other reason, if RGIII isn't a turnover machine the way Rex was, that is a few games right there by itself... Plus we will have Jenkins back. We have upgraded several key need positions. I can't believe you say we are no better than we were before 69. Close minded.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:12 AM   #34
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What caused you to reach this conclusion? We won 5 games with Rex/Beck at the helm, it's reasonable to think RG3 will provide enough of an upgrade over Grossman, even in his first season, that we can win at least a couple more games. Grossman and Beck probably cost us a few games last season.
We're still starting a rookie QB that's learning on the job in a tough division. He might win us some games and cost us some too. Also the secondary is still a mess. Too many question marks to win 8-10 games.
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We're still the worst team in the NFC East. This is still a 5-6 win team. Not looking for a jump in wins til 2013 and beyond.
We were within a breath of beating Dallas twice last year, with Grossman clearly helping the losing cause in one, do you think Ware comes up behind Griffin that same way? Honestly, I see that as a play where Griffin makes a huge play, either with his legs, or his downfield vision as linebackers collapse on him.

We beat the Giants twice, I don't think that means we are better than them by far, but certainly we are competitive with them.

The Eagles seem to have our number, and I think we will continue to struggle against them since I think they match up very well against us. Although I am hoping Griffin's first play against them is an 80 yd TD strike, but that's just due to bitter memories from a certain Monday nighter

Saying we are the worst team in the NFC with out any proof offered seems a tad bit cynical.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:21 AM   #36
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We're still starting a rookie QB that's learning on the job in a tough division. He might win us some games and cost us some too. Also the secondary is still a mess. Too many question marks to win 8-10 games.

Eli Manning: Career Stats at NFL.com

Would be nice if his 1st year stats avg. out better than Eli's.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:21 AM   #37
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I think we all need to remember that the teams in our division have been together a while. All those QB's have been in the same offense and are throwing the the same guys.Vick, Manning and Romo are all in the primes of their careers. We're putting in a lot of new parts in. Gotta be patient and give it time. That's why I'm not expecting a playoff run.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:23 AM   #38
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RG3 > RG0

RG0 did not win us a game last year or ever. Good QBs can win games for you.

RG3's mobility alone and, hopefully, accuracy on the deep routes translates to a significant upgrade that, all else being equal, is 2 games. If RG3 can simply approximate RG0's effectiveness between the numbers, turnovers and all, we're immediately better at the position before he has even matured. RG3 will perform better as our starting QB from day one then RG0 ever did and that will mean wins.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:30 AM   #39
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RG3 > RG0

RG0 did not win us a game last year or ever. Good QBs can win games for you.

RG3's mobility alone and, hopefully, accuracy on the deep routes translates to a significant upgrade that, all else being equal, is 2 games. If RG3 can simply approximate RG0's effectiveness between the numbers, turnovers and all, we're immediately better at the position before he has even matured. RG3 will perform better as our starting QB from day one then RG0 ever did and that will mean wins.
RG0 is cool and everything, but I think it far better to refer to Grossman as RG-3-and-out.
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RG0 is cool and everything, but I think it far better to refer to Grossman as RG-3-and-out.


Or RG-3-interceptions.
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I think we all need to remember that the teams in our division have been together a while. All those QB's have been in the same offense and are throwing the the same guys.Vick, Manning and Romo are all in the primes of their careers. We're putting in a lot of new parts in. Gotta be patient and give it time. That's why I'm not expecting a playoff run.
I think the counter point is that we won 5 games with a mediocre QB and could have won 7 quite easily minus a play or two from said QB. 8-8 is a serious possibility. The NFL is an odd beast. Put RG3 on the team last year and what happens? Are we worse?
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:39 AM   #42
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I think we all need to remember that the teams in our division have been together a while. All those QB's have been in the same offense and are throwing the the same guys.Vick, Manning and Romo are all in the primes of their careers. We're putting in a lot of new parts in. Gotta be patient and give it time. That's why I'm not expecting a playoff run.
Fair points, but the Cowboys have been together for a while yet can't seem to win a playoff game. The Giants played great in the clutch, yet barely won the division. The Eagles scare me a bit this year for some reason but they're not the Packers. There are no world beaters in this division. I think we need to get over the notion that the NFC East is a black and blue division right now. It's just frankly not.

That said, I think you need to give more than a cursory blanket statement to support your call for another poor season.

Let's name the reasons why we went 5-11 last year:

1) Lots of injuries and suspensions coupled with poor depth
2) Terrible secondary play
3) Grossman's high turnover rate (20 picks and 5 lost fumbles in 13 games)
4) Not enough skill position weapons

#1 is addressed just by the return of healthy players. #3 is somewhat addressed by Griffin, who will probably throw picks but won't get sacked nearly as much. And #4 is addressed by Garcon, Morgan, and the return of Hankerson and Fred Davis.

2) is still a major problem.

But I don't see how that doesn't equate to at least a 2 or 3 game improvement over last year's 5-11 debacle. Care to elaborate?
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RG0 is cool and everything, but I think it far better to refer to Grossman as RG-3-and-out.
I approve.
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Fair points, but the Cowboys have been together for a while yet can't seem to win a playoff game. The Giants played great in the clutch, yet barely won the division. The Eagles scare me a bit this year for some reason but they're not the Packers. There are no world beaters in this division. I think we need to get over the notion that the NFC East is a black and blue division right now. It's just frankly not.

That said, I think you need to give more than a cursory blanket statement to support your call for another poor season.

Let's name the reasons why we went 5-11 last year:

1) Lots of injuries and suspensions coupled with poor depth
2) Terrible secondary play
3) Grossman's high turnover rate (20 picks and 5 lost fumbles in 13 games)
4) Not enough skill position weapons

#1 is addressed just by the return of healthy players. #3 is somewhat addressed by Griffin, who will probably throw picks but won't get sacked nearly as much. And #4 is addressed by Garcon, Morgan, and the return of Hankerson and Fred Davis.

2) is still a major problem.

But I don't see how that doesn't equate to at least a 2 or 3 game improvement over last year's 5-11 debacle. Care to elaborate?
I agree. The biggest thing for everyone to remember too at this point is we're all talking in likelihoods. If we have major injuries we could lose another 10-12 games. If we are remarkably healthy we could win 11-12. When I say 8-8 is reasonable I mean in a typical year with typical injuries and everything working out about average compared to last year.
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Fair points, but the Cowboys have been together for a while yet can't seem to win a playoff game. The Giants played great in the clutch, yet barely won the division. The Eagles scare me a bit this year for some reason but they're not the Packers. There are no world beaters in this division. I think we need to get over the notion that the NFC East is a black and blue division right now. It's just frankly not.

That said, I think you need to give more than a cursory blanket statement to support your call for another poor season.

Let's name the reasons why we went 5-11 last year:

1) Lots of injuries and suspensions coupled with poor depth
2) Terrible secondary play
3) Grossman's high turnover rate (20 picks and 5 lost fumbles in 13 games)
4) Not enough skill position weapons

#1 is addressed just by the return of healthy players. #3 is somewhat addressed by Griffin, who will probably throw picks but won't get sacked nearly as much. And #4 is addressed by Garcon, Morgan, and the return of Hankerson and Fred Davis.

2) is still a major problem.

But I don't see how that doesn't equate to at least a 2 or 3 game improvement over last year's 5-11 debacle. Care to elaborate?
Not to harp on Beck, but let's also remember that we were 0-3 with him, and while that doesn't excuse the coaches for keeping him in, I think if Griffin goes out, RG-INT is still capable of winning a game or two in a stretch, and Cousins probably is as well.
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