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Old 05-14-2012, 04:43 PM   #241
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Franchises like the Lions and Bengals have been turned around completely in three years and (especially w/ Detroit) starting way further down in terms of talent than Mike inherited in Washington. He chose to make the transition even harder by blowing up the defense.

Point is good coaches have shown three years is sufficient to turn a franchise around. If Mike can't get to .500 this year it high time to move on. If he can't compete for a division title next year it will be time to move on. The notion we won't find a better coach is absurd. Mike has made myriad mistakes here already that are on him and him alone...starting this year the results fall on his shoulders and it's time to put the legacy argument to bed.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:46 PM   #242
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stability is important to me. did he sign a 4 year contract? 5 year contract? give him the length of the contract
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I think the problem is Snyder. Get rid of him and everything will change but we cannot
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I think the problem is Snyder. Get rid of him and everything will change but we cannot
Like coaches, owners evolve and learn the right way of doing things. I think Snyder has come a far way from the impetuous fan that walked in and fired half the staff. Sure we haven't won anything, but if he is finally getting it (which I think is the case) it would be ridiculous to want to go right back into the arms of another billionaire owner who has no clue how to run an NFL franchise. Case in point - Miami. This is not a McDonalds franchise that has a standard boiler plate operation, it takes patience, perserverance, and dedication, with a strong willingness to win. I think DS has most, if not all, of those things, and that we are on the verge of seeing a new era in Skins football.
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If you want to base things on facts, maybe we should start with the fact that the franchise has gone the route of switching coaching regimes every two or three years, and it has gotten them nowhere. If we continue to base things on fact, we see that there are no other coaches available, who want to come to Washington, that possesses the resume that Mike Shanahan possesses. If we want to, yet, continue to base things on facts, the fact is, Mike Shanahan stated from the very beginning that it would take him the length of his contract to rebuild this team the right way, and if Snyder was not interested in being patient, then don't hire him, (or something to that affect.) The fact is, Redskins fans are very impatient. Couple that with today's instant gratification that people have become accustomed to, and it makes for a lot of fans who would be dangerous if they were the owner of the Washington Redskins. I trust the current regime, as painful as it's been on Sundays, the Shannies will get this team back to where it needs to be. And if by the end of year five and that isn't true, then move on to the next regime.
Yes. I agree the franchise has changed coaching staffs far to frequently for my liking too, but the fact that Shanahan's overall record of wins, and losses is worse than those of his most recent predecessors must also be factored into the equation. I understand he said it will take a while to turn this franchise around, that is a fact, but whether he will turn this franchise around in that time period remains to be seen. If he does, and I hope he can, I'm all for it. However if he can't those words are hollow, the effort was fruitless, time was potentially waisted, and the point is moot. I'm not too high on resumes to begin with, but some of the winningest, and most innovative coaches in the league could be considered plucked from the ether, or given a head coaching shot when juxtaposed with a resume as extensive as Shanahans at this point in his career, and have remained with, and built their legacy through a single team. I'm glad that you trust the current regime and respect that you have an opinion on this topic, but based on what they've shown us up to this moment it seems slightly paradoxical, and I refuse to hold anyone to a lower standard if they are skeptical that this regime can deliver us from mediocrity based their production to date.
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So how many years do people think it will take Indy to turn it around. You have to factor in there starting out with a QB an unproven QB. But most people think a sure thing. Indy are also Blowing up the Defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4. So how long do you give them.
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Like coaches, owners evolve and learn the right way of doing things. I think Snyder has come a far way from the impetuous fan that walked in and fired half the staff. Sure we haven't won anything, but if he is finally getting it (which I think is the case) it would be ridiculous to want to go right back into the arms of another billionaire owner who has no clue how to run an NFL franchise. Case in point - Miami. This is not a McDonalds franchise that has a standard boiler plate operation, it takes patience, perserverance, and dedication, with a strong willingness to win. I think DS has most, if not all, of those things, and that we are on the verge of seeing a new era in Skins football.
Well said, and I agree.

There was an article in the Washington Examiner about this conundrum and learning process with Mr. Snyder, and I agree that he has come a long way from the guy who used to shell out $20 million dollars a pop for old and soon-to-be-has-been players, who treated the team like he was playing fantasy football.

If we're contenders in the next two or three years, he will be forgiven a LOT.
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If you want to base things on facts, maybe we should start with the fact that the franchise has gone the route of switching coaching regimes every two or three years, and it has gotten them nowhere. If we continue to base things on fact, we see that there are no other coaches available, who want to come to Washington, that possesses the resume that Mike Shanahan possesses. If we want to, yet, continue to base things on facts, the fact is, Mike Shanahan stated from the very beginning that it would take him the length of his contract to rebuild this team the right way, and if Snyder was not interested in being patient, then don't hire him, (or something to that affect.) The fact is, Redskins fans are very impatient. Couple that with today's instant gratification that people have become accustomed to, and it makes for a lot of fans who would be dangerous if they were the owner of the Washington Redskins. I trust the current regime, as painful as it's been on Sundays, the Shannies will get this team back to where it needs to be. And if by the end of year five and that isn't true, then move on to the next regime.
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Franchises like the Lions and Bengals have been turned around completely in three years and (especially w/ Detroit) starting way further down in terms of talent than Mike inherited in Washington. He chose to make the transition even harder by blowing up the defense.

Point is good coaches have shown three years is sufficient to turn a franchise around. If Mike can't get to .500 this year it high time to move on. If he can't compete for a division title next year it will be time to move on. The notion we won't find a better coach is absurd. Mike has made myriad mistakes here already that are on him and him alone...starting this year the results fall on his shoulders and it's time to put the legacy argument to bed.
I've seen this comment more than a few times this offseason from a variety of sources and I just really don't get it. Other than appeasing an impatient fan base, what exactly would this accomplish?

The analysis came out last week that Shanahan has replaced all but 15 players from the roster he inherited (and that assumes that Moss & Cooley return in 2012). Also, we have drafted more players (21) than any other team in the league the past 2 years. AND, by the way, we just drafted our franchise QB for the next decade who just happens to fit, according to ALL NFL experts, perfectly in the offensive system he and his son run.

So according to you, if we improve to 7 wins he should be fired and we start over AGAIN? Help me understand what the logic is other than bloodlust? What results would you expect in 2013 from the team he specifically built to suit his vision from another coach/regime?
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I've seen this comment more than a few times this offseason from a variety of sources and I just really don't get it. Other than appeasing an impatient fan base, what exactly would this accomplish?

The analysis came out last week that Shanahan has replaced all but 15 players from the roster he inherited (and that assumes that Moss & Cooley return in 2012). Also, we have drafted more players (21) than any other team in the league the past 2 years. AND, by the way, we just drafted our franchise QB for the next decade who just happens to fit, according to ALL NFL experts, perfectly in the offensive system he and his son run.

So according to you, if we improve to 7 wins he should be fired and we start over AGAIN? Help me understand what the logic is other than bloodlust? What results would you expect in 2013 from the team he specifically built to suit his vision from another coach/regime?
Yes it's amazing how fans get mad at Snyder for changeing coaches every 2 to 3 years, yet this is what most people think we should continue todo.
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I've seen this comment more than a few times this offseason from a variety of sources and I just really don't get it. Other than appeasing an impatient fan base, what exactly would this accomplish?

The analysis came out last week that Shanahan has replaced all but 15 players from the roster he inherited (and that assumes that Moss & Cooley return in 2012). Also, we have drafted more players (21) than any other team in the league the past 2 years. AND, by the way, we just drafted our franchise QB for the next decade who just happens to fit, according to ALL NFL experts, perfectly in the offensive system he and his son run.

So according to you, if we improve to 7 wins he should be fired and we start over AGAIN? Help me understand what the logic is other than bloodlust? What results would you expect in 2013 from the team he specifically built to suit his vision from another coach/regime?
Franchises like the Lions and Bengals have been turned around completely in three years and (especially w/ Detroit) starting way further down in terms of talent than Mike inherited in Washington. He chose to make the transition even harder by blowing up the defense.

Point is good coaches have shown three years is sufficient to turn a franchise around. The notion we won't find a better coach is absurd. Mike has made myriad mistakes here already that are on him and him alone...starting this year the results fall on his shoulders and it's time to put the legacy argument to bed.
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"Yes it's amazing how fans get mad at Snyder for changeing coaches every 2 to 3 years, yet this is what most people think we should continue todo."
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:27 PM   #253
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Dang, just when I thought we were actually gonna talk about Griffin and the possibility of the no-huddle.
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Yes it's amazing how fans get mad at Snyder for changeing coaches every 2 to 3 years, yet this is what most people think we should continue todo.

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Yes it's amazing how fans get mad at Snyder for changeing coaches every 2 to 3 years, yet this is what most people think we should continue todo.
It's insane.
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