NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners

SBXVII · 05-24-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Another good article laying out the issues: NFL Players Association lawsuit against NFL could be decided by Judge Doty - Michael McCann - SI.com

The first arguement for the NFL is one everyone is talking about the signed agreement not to persue collusion. but the second arguement....

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Second, the mere absence of most teams "taking advantage" of an uncapped season does not prove collusion. Teams could have decided, on their own, to refrain from spending an unusually large amount of their owners' money in 2010. By definition, decisions by individual teams do not constitute collusion.

is BS. The arguement would be a good arguement had the Redsksins and Cowboys not been punished. Their arguement would stand pretty good. But why then punish two teams if the low spending was volentary? By punishing two teams for "violating the spirit of the CAP" in which there was no CAP proves in itself there was an agreement (spirit of a CAP).

What should have happened because there was no CAP in place is no punishment to anyone whether they spent below the floor or went over the CAP. When the new CBA and CAP was in place then all teams needed to be below the CAP. The Skins and Boys were. Thus no punishment.

There was a reason for a "uncapped" year. One could argue the NFL violated "the spirit of the uncapped" year. The purpose it was put into the CBA was to force the owners and players to get an agreement prior to it and if it didn't then they new spending $$$ could be fair game. The punishing of two teams for violating the "spirit of the CAP" when there was no cap proves their was some form of agreement between all the owners and they felt the need to punish two teams for their "competative advantage" the other owners failed to take advantage of.

SBXVII · 05-24-2012, 10:18 AM

and then there is this arguement..... why did it take 2 yrs to find collusion.

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Also in regards to evidence, expect the NFL to wonder why it has taken the NFLPA two years to uncover supposed evidence of a widespread conspiracy among potentially hundreds of persons, many of whom are in regular contact with media.

Anyone in their right mind could guess the owners were colluding even we fans knew something was up since teams were not going out buying up FA's like candy and spending $$$, but all that is just assumptions. There was no real substantial proof of any collusion until the NFL came out and said we are punishing the Redskins and Cowboys for their violating the spirit of the CAP. < What CAP? There was no CAP. There can be no violation if there was no CAP. So by punishing the two teams the NFL has admitted there was some form of agreement (spirit) and some form of CAP to which the two teams violated which in reality they didn't cause there was also a "SPIRIT OF THE UNCAPPED YEAR" which was technically violated by 28 teams. No, those 28 teams didn't have to spend a lot, but by punishing two teams that did is in violation of the "spirit of the uncapped" year.

So because of the punishment (in 2012) there is finally some form of proof there was collusion. The NFLPA didn't wait 2 yrs after they had proof they maybe waited 2 months to get their ducks in a row and file the right arguement as well as somewhat wait to see what info they could did up from the appeal.

SBXVII · 05-24-2012, 10:24 AM

If Doty allows the law suit to go on (which I doubt), then If I was the NFLPA although not working directly with the Redskins and Cowboys.... I'd be making them witness #1 and Witness #2. Take the stand please.

If this happens I can see the NFL trying to make the two teams heads a little foggy about details.

skinsfan69 · 05-24-2012, 11:02 AM

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What other law suits are you talking about. The whole mess is getting annoying ...yes. I agree. But I think its funny. This is like understanding all the behind the scene's going ons with WWE. lol. One big soap opera.

But in reality there has only been one law suit. The NFLPA vs. NFL. Ours was just an appeal to the punishment, and it really wasn't the punishment but rather the process/proceedure that led to the punishment.

All the concussion lawsuits, Vilma, this one....just so tired of it.

Monkeydad · 05-24-2012, 11:32 AM

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All these lawsuits are getting annoying.

The Goodell Dictatorship with no regard to actual rules is getting annoying.

Don't blame those bringing these lawsuits (except the concussion claimants like Chip Lohmiller)...blame the man who is making these lawsuits absolutely necessary. I think Vilma may have a case. What was done to us and Dallas was completely absurd.

So sick of hearing about us "violating the spirit of the rule" that wasn't even in place at the time. This is like us getting pulled over for 35MPH and ticketed because they're planning on changing the sign to 25MPH next month, so they're getting a head start on catching the speeders.

KI Skins Fan · 05-24-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

There was no real substantial proof of any collusion until the NFL came out and said we are punishing the Redskins and Cowboys for their violating the spirit of the CAP.

The fact that there was no effort by the NFL to establish and enforce a salary floor in the uncapped year was also a hint that this whole mess had nothing to do with the NFL's attempts to ensure competitiveness among the teams. As we all know in our hearts, for the NFL it was about keeping down spending on player contracts and forcing the NFLPA to yield. Proving that assertion is entirely another matter.

skinsfan69 · 05-24-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeydad

The Goodell Dictatorship with no regard to actual rules is getting annoying.

Don't blame those bringing these lawsuits (except the concussion claimants like Chip Lohmiller)...blame the man who is making these lawsuits absolutely necessary. I think Vilma may have a case. What was done to us and Dallas was completely absurd.

So sick of hearing about us "violating the spirit of the rule" that wasn't even in place at the time. This is like us getting pulled over for 35MPH and ticketed because they're planning on changing the sign to 25MPH next month, so they're getting a head start on catching the speeders.

I agree. The commish is a first class two faced dick. The owners are greedy bastards for putting in a BS cap in an up capped year. Not all, but a lot of the former players are suing to get their pockets a little fatter cause they see all the money the NFL makes. All the BS crappy calls we see week after week cause of the trickle down concussion awareness. I love the NFL.... but lately, especially this past year, all of this crap is really starting to turn me off.

mooby · 05-24-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The fact that there was no effort by the NFL to establish and enforce a salary floor in the uncapped year was also a hint that this whole mess had nothing to do with the NFL's attempts to ensure competitiveness among the teams. As we all know in our hearts, for the NFL it was about keeping down spending on player contracts and forcing the NFLPA to yield. Proving that assertion is entirely another matter.

I feel it was more about John Mara attempting to gain a competitive edge over 2 divison rivals. We've already been over this, the Cowboys and us weren't the only two teams to take advantage of the uncapped year. We were the only two penalized for it though.

Monksdown · 05-24-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

I feel it was more about John Mara attempting to gain a competitive edge over 2 divison rivals. We've already been over this, the Cowboys and us weren't the only two teams to take advantage of the uncapped year. We were the only two penalized for it though.

Mara just pissed because he thought we had painted ourselves into a financial corner via the cap. Bruce Allen took over and with the help of Mr. Eric Schaffer built an expensive bridge to get us out of that corner. I would be pissed too if i just found out i wasnt as smart as I always thought.

Ruhskins · 05-24-2012, 04:21 PM

Good job Mr. Mara, way to f*** up the labor peace

JoeRedskin · 05-24-2012, 04:43 PM

^^ This.

Dirtbag59 · 05-24-2012, 06:12 PM

The thing that pisses me off about all of this is the blatant cherry picking and what would seem to be targeting division rivals.

See obviously we all know the Redskins structured contracts so they could get out of them after the uncapped year. The Cowboys on their end signed Miles Austin to a new contract that was very front loaded. And maybe the NFL would have a case if that was the issue.

However we've all seen the chart that showed other teams structuring contracts to favorably reflect the uncapped year, most prominent example being the Bears giving Julius Peppers $35 million in the first year.

Of course you can't get a majority vote to punish something when almost half the teams did it in some way shape or form.

The Redskins and Cowboys were singled out for their spending not their structuring of contracts. It's absolutely pathetic. The power trip has to end.

Dirtbag59 · 05-24-2012, 06:16 PM

Team-by-team salary cap numbers, if there were a salary cap | ProFootballTalk
Surprise surprise the top cash spenders in 2010.

Redskins: $178.2 million.

Cowboys: $166.5 million.

Saints: $145.0 million.

The curve-ball is the Raiders at 8 but nevertheless it's still an abuse of power.

Anyway here's the best article I've read on the situation
NFL Players Association lawsuit against NFL could be decided by Judge Doty - Michael McCann - SI.com

HoopheadVII · 05-24-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Team-by-team salary cap numbers, if there were a salary cap | ProFootballTalk
Surprise surprise the top cash spenders in 2010.

Redskins: $178.2 million.

Cowboys: $166.5 million.

Saints: $145.0 million.

The curve-ball is the Raiders at 8 but nevertheless it's still an abuse of power.

Anyway here's the best article I've read on the situation
NFL Players Association lawsuit against NFL could be decided by Judge Doty - Michael McCann - SI.com

According to that list, 16 of 32 teams were over the "secret cap" of $123m. Also, punishing #1, #2, #3, and #8 seems less than systematic.

HoopheadVII · 05-24-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

and then there is this arguement..... why did it take 2 yrs to find collusion.

Anyone in their right mind could guess the owners were colluding even we fans knew something was up since teams were not going out buying up FA's like candy and spending $$$, but all that is just assumptions. There was no real substantial proof of any collusion until the NFL came out and said we are punishing the Redskins and Cowboys for their violating the spirit of the CAP. < What CAP? There was no CAP. There can be no violation if there was no CAP. So by punishing the two teams the NFL has admitted there was some form of agreement (spirit) and some form of CAP to which the two teams violated which in reality they didn't cause there was also a "SPIRIT OF THE UNCAPPED YEAR" which was technically violated by 28 teams. No, those 28 teams didn't have to spend a lot, but by punishing two teams that did is in violation of the "spirit of the uncapped" year.

So because of the punishment (in 2012) there is finally some form of proof there was collusion. The NFLPA didn't wait 2 yrs after they had proof they maybe waited 2 months to get their ducks in a row and file the right arguement as well as somewhat wait to see what info they could did up from the appeal.

The only problem with that is that the NFLPA's complaint says they signed the salary cap reallocation agreement on March 11, but claims they only learned of the collusion on March 12...and their "new" evidence of collusion is the press / blogger reaction to the announcement of the salary cap reallocation.

Yes, their complaint essentially says that the salary cap reallocation wasn't evidence of collusion, but that the press release announcing it and the press / blogger reaction to it was new evidence of collusion.

Read that again.

05-24-2012, 10:24 AM	#63
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners If Doty allows the law suit to go on (which I doubt), then If I was the NFLPA although not working directly with the Redskins and Cowboys.... I'd be making them witness #1 and Witness #2. Take the stand please. If this happens I can see the NFL trying to make the two teams heads a little foggy about details.

05-24-2012, 04:21 PM	#70
Ruhskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 34 Posts: 14,593	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners Good job Mr. Mara, way to f*** up the labor peace __________________ R.I.P. #21 New words created on The Warpath: Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual Stroried Check out this cool local internet radio show Weds 7-9pm: The DC Sports Chat I sense an annoyance in the Force

05-24-2012, 04:43 PM	#71
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners ^^ This. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

05-24-2012, 06:12 PM	#72
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,957	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners The thing that pisses me off about all of this is the blatant cherry picking and what would seem to be targeting division rivals. See obviously we all know the Redskins structured contracts so they could get out of them after the uncapped year. The Cowboys on their end signed Miles Austin to a new contract that was very front loaded. And maybe the NFL would have a case if that was the issue. However we've all seen the chart that showed other teams structuring contracts to favorably reflect the uncapped year, most prominent example being the Bears giving Julius Peppers $35 million in the first year. Of course you can't get a majority vote to punish something when almost half the teams did it in some way shape or form. The Redskins and Cowboys were singled out for their spending not their structuring of contracts. It's absolutely pathetic. The power trip has to end. __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President

05-24-2012, 06:16 PM	#73
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,957	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners Team-by-team salary cap numbers, if there were a salary cap \| ProFootballTalk Surprise surprise the top cash spenders in 2010. Redskins: $178.2 million. Cowboys: $166.5 million. Saints: $145.0 million. The curve-ball is the Raiders at 8 but nevertheless it's still an abuse of power. Anyway here's the best article I've read on the situation NFL Players Association lawsuit against NFL could be decided by Judge Doty - Michael McCann - SI.com __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President Last edited by Dirtbag59; 05-24-2012 at 06:31 PM.

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