NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners

HoopheadVII · 05-29-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Wow, you got this all figured out. How about the NFL never told the NFLPA who was being punished until after they were politely reminded they couldn't file the law suit and when they agreed to allow the punishement then the paperwork slides across the table with the team names. The $$ amount of the reallocation was probably discussed even before the punishment was. Get the NFLPA to be thinking along the lines of finding a way to keep the $$ were they were instead of picking up a huge loss. Then when the NFL comes out with "Oh, we'd like to punish a couple of teams for competative balance and we can use that money to keep the CAP were it's at..... would you agree to that?"

No one knows how it went down in the meeting. No one knows what all was mentioned other then Goodell and DSmith. What upsets me is everyone assuming they know how it went down and that the NFLPA had to of known. Maybe they only knew part of the information and gained more after the agreement was signed and Mara opened his mouth. Maybe they knew but had no proof until after they agreed. I'm sure DSmith was "hell do whatever you want with your own as long as you keep our CAP numbers the same." Then afterwards he see's it was because the two teams we punished for "competetive balance" in an "uncapped year" when "competative balance" didn't mean squat because there was no CAP.

All I asked was how the NFLPA could have signed an agreement reallocating salary cap without knowing which teams were getting money taken away.

You said in an earlier post that maybe the NFLPA didn't know which teams were being punished on March 11 when they agreed to the salary cap reallocation. I'm trying to understand how that would even be possible.

HoopheadVII · 05-29-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not to mention the NFLPA has used the Reskins/Cowboys as partial evidence and even though many here have good reasons to believe the two teams will not help the NFLPA they also noted that any team that could prove they didn't collude would be given amnesty. To me that means those teams would be looked at as not having to pay a penalty if a judgement for the NFLPA was awarded.

One would think if the NFL all decided they were mad and wanted to punish two teams and all voted on it and agreed, now they would be shitting a brick because the two austrisized teams "might" , just might say something in front of a judge that might warrant some more probing or prove that there was an agreement.... especially if they know they won't have to pay a fine. Giving back some CAP space might be a decent concession to keeping peoples mouths shut. You know..... "not recall" any agreements.

I'd suggest this line of thought is delusional. The Skins aren't going to help out the NFLPA, and there's very little chance of them getting any cap space back.

VegasSkinsFan · 05-31-2012, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

I'd suggest this line of thought is delusional. The Skins aren't going to help out the NFLPA, and there's very little chance of them getting any cap space back.

Got to agree with hoop here. If anything the NFLPA took away all leverage we had when they filled. At this point I have to say its in the NFLs best interest to not give us back any cap money. We can threaten to assist or cooperate with the NFLPA but what does that buy us?

CRedskinsRule · 07-16-2012, 03:53 PM

So not a shocking development(a few days old, so if it was mentioned in another thread sorry for the redundancy), but Doty Denied Dismissal Motion.

Judge David Doty agrees to hear arguments in NFLPA collusion case - ESPN

The NFL must seriously hate that they are back in front of him again.

Dirtbag59 · 07-16-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So not a shocking development(a few days old, so if it was mentioned in another thread sorry for the redundancy), but Doty Denied Dismissal Motion.

Judge David Doty agrees to hear arguments in NFLPA collusion case - ESPN

The NFL must seriously hate that they are back in front of him again.

My God the court system moves slowly .

JoeRedskin · 07-16-2012, 05:46 PM

I reiterate my earlier posts ... if this makes it past the Motion to Dismiss, there is going to some fun in the discovery phase.

They should sell tickets to Mara's deposition.

Skinzman · 07-16-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I reiterate my earlier posts ... if this makes it past the Motion to Dismiss, there is going to some fun in the discovery phase.

They should sell tickets to Mara's deposition.

Id buy those tickets. A place where Mara's daddys money doesnt automatically protect him. I would like to see him squirm.

Having said that, I dont see this going anywhere. The fines they used against the skins and boys are not cap related in terms of total money spent. They were smart in how they went after them even though we all know the real reason was a chance to lower the spending of the two highest spending owners.

The fact is half the teams spent more than 123 mil that year. So I dont see how that stand up in court. Even if Doty, a labor friendly judge, does agree with the NFLPA, the court that will take up the appeal is a business friendly court. The collusion charges would have to make it through both courts to win, and I dont see that happening.

JoeRedskin · 07-16-2012, 09:40 PM

Again, once it gets to the discovery phase - if it gets there, all bets are off. Massive document discovery, depositions of all the owners, etc.

If it is not dismissed, I fully expect a settlement of some type.

CRedskinsRule · 07-17-2012, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Again, once it gets to the discovery phase - if it gets there, all bets are off. Massive document discovery, depositions of all the owners, etc.

If it is not dismissed, I fully expect a settlement of some type.

JR, isn't that what this ruling means? That he denied the motion to dismiss and will move to the next phase, or does he still have another hearing to dismiss after accepting the case?

JoeRedskin · 07-17-2012, 07:38 AM

Actually, I think it means he is leaning towards a dismissal. Not sure about the Federal Rules but, in Maryland, a Judge cannot grant a dispositive motion without a hearing i.e. judge's can't dispose of a case through dismissal or summary judgment without an oral hearing giving each side a chance to make argument.

Alternatively, he could have denied the Motion to Dismiss without a hearing which then would have moved the case into the discovery phase.

Right now it is in limbo - not moving forward, but not dismissed.

I'll check the Federal Rules when I get into work.

CRedskinsRule · 07-17-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Actually, I think it means he is leaning towards a dismissal. Not sure about the Federal Rules but, in Maryland, a Judge cannot grant a dispositive motion without a hearing i.e. judge's can't dispose of a case through dismissal or summary judgment without an oral hearing giving each side a chance to make argument.

Alternatively, he could have denied the Motion to Dismiss without a hearing which then would have moved the case into the discovery phase.

Right now it is in limbo - not moving forward, but not dismissed.

I'll check the Federal Rules when I get into work.

Gotcha, I thought he had actually dismissed the request for dismissal, but you are right, he just said he would hear arguments on whether to dismiss the case.

As Dirtbag said "My god the courts are slow!"

skinsguy · 07-17-2012, 09:48 AM

I have forgotten all about this....lol! My #1 concern right now is getting Griffin's contract signed and him out there practicing.

JoeRedskin · 07-17-2012, 09:52 AM

'Cause everybody sues everybody ... and then there all those silly criminals to deal with.

It's not the only case on the docket. Everybody wants their case expedited. blah blah blah.

If only we had robots doing it.

skinsguy · 07-17-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

'Cause everybody sues everybody ... and then there all those silly criminals to deal with.

It's not the only case on the docket. Everybody wants their case expedited. blah blah blah.

If only we had robots doing it.

LOL nice!

CRedskinsRule · 07-17-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

'Cause everybody sues everybody ... and then there all those silly criminals to deal with.

It's not the only case on the docket. Everybody wants their case expedited. blah blah blah.

If only we had robots doing it.

I really thought it was because lawyers tend to write real long boring prose. Therefore it takes longer to trudge through the motions when you are falling asleep every 5 pages.

07-16-2012, 03:53 PM	#124
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,904	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners So not a shocking development(a few days old, so if it was mentioned in another thread sorry for the redundancy), but Doty Denied Dismissal Motion. Judge David Doty agrees to hear arguments in NFLPA collusion case - ESPN The NFL must seriously hate that they are back in front of him again.

07-16-2012, 05:46 PM	#126
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,142	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners I reiterate my earlier posts ... if this makes it past the Motion to Dismiss, there is going to some fun in the discovery phase. They should sell tickets to Mara's deposition. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

07-16-2012, 09:40 PM	#128
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,142	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners Again, once it gets to the discovery phase - if it gets there, all bets are off. Massive document discovery, depositions of all the owners, etc. If it is not dismissed, I fully expect a settlement of some type. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

07-17-2012, 07:38 AM	#130
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,142	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners Actually, I think it means he is leaning towards a dismissal. Not sure about the Federal Rules but, in Maryland, a Judge cannot grant a dispositive motion without a hearing i.e. judge's can't dispose of a case through dismissal or summary judgment without an oral hearing giving each side a chance to make argument. Alternatively, he could have denied the Motion to Dismiss without a hearing which then would have moved the case into the discovery phase. Right now it is in limbo - not moving forward, but not dismissed. I'll check the Federal Rules when I get into work. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

07-17-2012, 09:48 AM	#132
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 5,999	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners I have forgotten all about this....lol! My #1 concern right now is getting Griffin's contract signed and him out there practicing. __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

07-17-2012, 09:52 AM	#133
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,142	Re: NFLPA Files Collusion Lawsuit Against NFL, Owners 'Cause everybody sues everybody ... and then there all those silly criminals to deal with. It's not the only case on the docket. Everybody wants their case expedited. blah blah blah. If only we had robots doing it. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

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