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Old 06-08-2012, 01:55 PM   #46
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"2nd biggest talent/threat after Moss"

Haha...you're funny. I see what you did there.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:56 PM   #47
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When you say "2nd biggest..after Moss" you mean there is one other guy who is a bigger threat right after Moss but there are 3 others who are bigger threats than all of them right? Because any other interpretation is ludicrous.
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My biggest concern, like others have said, is whether Ocho would commit to learn the system/playbook. If he's at all serious about extending his career beyond this season learning new tricks will be critical.

The Palmer/Oakland connection probably makes more sense though.

WR is likely still a concern for us IMHO. Moss is the only proven vet on the roster who also knows the system/playbook. Hankerson's injury is worrisome especially when he starts to see heavy contact again. Garcon has one solid season behind him and that's only because everyone else was injured. Morgan I just don't get. One of my guys in the office is a forever SanFran fan and didn't think Morgan should ever have started...very pedestrian. Randy Moss is already a big hit though and has the fans all psyched up. He would have been a great addition for Griffin's sake, especially as an ends zone target, which we still don't really have outside Fred Davis. Plus we'd have two Moss' and how cool would that be!
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I feel like we keeping spinning the same tired record regarding WRs.
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it's june. they can't all be henry ellard
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Routine scuttlebutt.
When has a well-known player that has been released NOT been linked as "possible" to Dallas or Washington when they are on the market?

Media scuttlebutt.
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How does Garcon qualify as a question mark?
Garcon's only solid season was more a result of injury to other players than him breaking out. He's been inconsistent otherwise at best. I get he's a high potential guy, but counting on him as a consistent #1 or even #2 WR right off the bat is the same old pipe dream this franchise and fanbase has experienced time and again.
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So Goat...if I'm reading you right, you're into a win now, damn the future approach?
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So Goat...if I'm reading you right, you're into a win now, damn the future approach?
I mean realistically we're not built to win now. However, getting Griffin the best targets especially now as a rookie is wise, right? Help build his confidence w/ early success. Randy Moss would fit the mold as an awesome possession WR and end zone target. Burress to a lesser extent than Moss but still worth brining in. Ocho also to a lesser extent than Moss but worth bringing into camp IMO. What if he decides brings his A game, studies hard and plays lights out...wouldn't it be worth it?
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When has Randy Moss ever been a possession WR? The guy knows one route, go deep.
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This seems to be the crux of it and there's room for honest debate. I think we have one proven WR better than Ocho (Moss) and three question marks (Garcon, Hank, Morgan). I haven't seen anything from our younger guys to really deserve comment...
That's just it. The three in question, only one of them had a great year, two got injured and those two showed some promis prior to getting injured. I think we all had issues with Hank going to the ground after the majority of his catches instead of trying to get more yards.

Out of the rest only AA stands out. One would think Austin, Robertson, and Paul would be doing better at this point. Instead they are moving Paul to TE. I'd easily replace Austin and Robertson with CJ.
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How does Garcon qualify as a question mark?
One really outstanding year? The year with out their #1 QB playing or #1 WR playing? All his earlier yrs he was second fiddle and really didn't stand out. Heck many in the media and here wonder why we spent so much money on him. Now all of a sudden he's the top dog? Ok.
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Reggie Wayne didn't play last year?

Interesting.
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I mean realistically we're not built to win now. However, getting Griffin the best targets especially now as a rookie is wise, right? Help build his confidence w/ early success. Randy Moss would fit the mold as an awesome possession WR and end zone target. Burress to a lesser extent than Moss but still worth brining in. Ocho also to a lesser extent than Moss but worth bringing into camp IMO. What if he decides brings his A game, studies hard and plays lights out...wouldn't it be worth it?
I don't really agree. I think Moss and Cooley (let's assume for now both stay) are proven receivers for RGIII. While Morgan and Garcon aren't slouches. Then you add some up and comers in Paul, Hankerson, and possibly Robinson.

Let RGIII grow with these guys and let those guys grow with RGIII.

I gotta say for someone who so frequently blasted Vinny's approach I find that you're essentially advocating the same approach. I understand that you're not talking about trading multiple picks for Ocho, but you're still talking about going for the probably past his prime veteran for the quick fix
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