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Old 07-09-2012, 03:15 PM   #31
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Wasnt Gordon kick out of 2 schools, Utah and Baylor? I would say no based just on that.

Hankerson was a bad ass coming out of Miami. His senior year was impressive.
I agree with the first part. We don't need troublemakers in our locker room, it's bad enough having two very talented players who have made extremely poor choices that will hang consequences over their head for the rest of their careers.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:21 PM   #32
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Josh Gordon reportedly won't fall past third round - NFL.com
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On Silva's Twitter account, he goes even further. He said there's "no chance" Gordon will get past the third round and added the team is from the NFC East. Which means we are going to conduct some irresponsible guesswork.
What do you guys think of this? The only two teams in the east I could see taking him are us (hopefully not; especially not for a 3rd rounder) and Dallas.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:23 PM   #33
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I'd guess Dallas is definitely the team
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:31 PM   #34
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The fact we're debating this is baffling to me. This guy is not an elite prospect. He may have been a good college player somewhat and have some upside but why the hell does that mean we should use another pick on him? He really isn't a better option than most of what we already have and there are obvious risks.
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The fact we're debating this is baffling to me. This guy is not an elite prospect. He may have been a good college player somewhat and have some upside but why the hell does that mean we should use another pick on him? He really isn't a better option than most of what we already have and there are obvious risks.
Well said. Or, put differently, he isn't a better option than someone else that we can get in the third round of the regular draft in 2013 (which apparently is his price tag).
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The fact we're debating this is baffling to me. This guy is not an elite prospect. He may have been a good college player somewhat and have some upside but why the hell does that mean we should use another pick on him? He really isn't a better option than most of what we already have and there are obvious risks.
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Josh Gordon reportedly won't fall past third round - NFL.com


What do you guys think of this? The only two teams in the east I could see taking him are us (hopefully not; especially not for a 3rd rounder) and Dallas.
Read the article, don't understand why the author dismisses the Eagles as a speculative NFC suitor for Gordon.
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I think our sub-par WR production over the last X years has a lot to do with our poorish QB performance. Let's see what RGIII can do with what reasonably looks like at least a decent corp or WRs that we already have. Good QB performance can make average WRs look like all-pros. Protect the QB to give him time to work through progressions and there will be an open WR somewhere. Make the throw and magically that WR is better already. And it didn't cost us a draft pick.

What everyone forgets is that the draft pick can be used on a position next year that we actually need to really improve. Not on a position that we already put resources into and have yet to even see on the field whether that has paid off.
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I'm only convinced we have 3 WR on the roster who will be on the team past this season (Hankerson, Garçon and Morgan) so no harm in scouting him. The question will be if we draft and develop him will he be ready to be an impact player in 2013, which is when his draft pick will impact us. Will he be better than Moss, Armstrong or Robinson in 2013 and most importantly, is he past his character issues?
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I'm only convinced we have 3 WR on the roster who will be on the team past this season (Hankerson, Garçon and Morgan) so no harm in scouting him. The question will be if we draft and develop him will he be ready to be an impact player in 2013, which is when his draft pick will impact us. Will he be better than Moss, Armstrong or Robinson in 2013 and most importantly, is he past his character issues?
I don't like the idea of spending anything higher then a 5th round pick on a future draft pick (from an already thin pool of picks) for a player that is not counted on to make an immediate impact.

Nevermind that he's a marginal productive player with a checkered personal history.

Drafting another WR adds to and further confuses/limits an already crowded glut of receivers with an as yet unquantified ability level based on playing time.
And imo you cannot make a personnel decision about a player until you have somewhat of a quantified evaluation of their ability level.
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I'd guess Dallas is definitely the team
Hopefully, a 2nd-round pick lost for this guy would be great for them.
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I'm only convinced we have 3 WR on the roster who will be on the team past this season (Hankerson, Garçon and Morgan) so no harm in scouting him. The question will be if we draft and develop him will he be ready to be an impact player in 2013, which is when his draft pick will impact us. Will he be better than Moss, Armstrong or Robinson in 2013 and most importantly, is he past his character issues?

Yeah exactly. While we may have a logjam at WR, its a logjam of mediocre WR's and those who have yet to prove much, save Moss.

I am against adding Josh Gordon for anything lower than a 5th round pick (maybe a 4th if RGiii vouches for him). But in terms of our WR core i dont think adding him will jam anything up.

"Locks":

Moss
Garcon
Morgan

Then:
Hankerson (probably a lock, i just want more than one game from him before i treat him like hes totally awesome)
Terrence Austin
AA
Aldrick Robinson
Others

So unless you think Terrence Austin, AA or Robinson is a better prospect theres no harm in going after Gordon with a late round pick. If we keep 6 WRs it wont be too hard finding space for him.
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I don't like the idea of spending anything higher then a 5th round pick on a future draft pick (from an already thin pool of picks) for a player that is not counted on to make an immediate impact.

Nevermind that he's a marginal productive player with a checkered personal history.

Drafting another WR adds to and further confuses/limits an already crowded glut of receivers with an as yet unquantified ability level based on playing time.
And imo you cannot make a personnel decision about a player until you have somewhat of a quantified evaluation of their ability level.
I'm not really for or against drafting him but I think we owe it to ourselves to at a minimum evaluate him. If we pick him, it's for 2013 and beyond. At this point after missing a year of college football and missing all offseason work, he's nothing more than the 53rd man on the roster and the #6 receiver.
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I think our sub-par WR production over the last X years has a lot to do with our poorish QB performance. Let's see what RGIII can do with what reasonably looks like at least a decent corp or WRs that we already have. Good QB performance can make average WRs look like all-pros. Protect the QB to give him time to work through progressions and there will be an open WR somewhere. Make the throw and magically that WR is better already. And it didn't cost us a draft pick.

What everyone forgets is that the draft pick can be used on a position next year that we actually need to really improve. Not on a position that we already put resources into and have yet to even see on the field whether that has paid off.
No doubt QB play has held us back. Griffin can do things we just haven't seen over the last several years i.e. fire a laser rolling out either direction etc. However, we haven't provided him w/ very good WR targets for the endzone. Moss is a little guy, though has a knack for finding open spaces in the endzone. Garcon, from all the video I can find, struggles to find open space whether it's underneath the defense, redzone or endzone. Garcon, up to this point at least, has to "beat" the defender with a quick slant or in a footrace to gain big yards. Morgan and Hankerson are total question marks regarding redzone/endzone situations.

Short of adding a big target WR I think we'll see most touchdowns come from TEs and RBs. Something akin to the Patriots last year (hopefully). Regardless, it would be awesome to get Griffin a big WR target in the next couple/few years.
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I'm not really for or against drafting him but I think we owe it to ourselves to at a minimum evaluate him. If we pick him, it's for 2013 and beyond. At this point after missing a year of college football and missing all offseason work, he's nothing more than the 53rd man on the roster and the #6 receiver.
And that's why it all depends on what round your talking about for me.
Imo this team cannot afford to spend anything more then a 5th or later on the 53rd man/6th WR.
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