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Old 07-27-2012, 04:29 PM   #166
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:49 PM   #167
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I don't get the impression the majority of posters here are fans of Kyle. Or maybe it's that those that are are more quiet
I get the opposite vibe.
*(Maybe in this forum the responses are a backlash against GTripp vocal dislike?)

I feel like most objective evaluations or criticisms of Kyle's offense are met with knee jerk (and often over the top) defenses or rationaliztions.

The main argument centers on the lack of talent.

For example (and forgive me for re-hashing (man I miss college, I would love to re-hash...I digress..)) but the 1st of Kyle's offense was actually worse then Zorn's last year in every meaningful offensive category.
Yet the very mention of the actual metrics, even without an actual good/bad value judgement, was met with scorn.

None the less..
I think Kyle has some great concepts in the passing game.
However; his overall lack of balance pass vs run concerns me.
But I hope/suspect (that even without Kyle becoming more balanced) Griffin and Co. (Garcon, Hankerson etc) are the tools Kyle needs to execute his pass first offense.

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I didn't think that Kyle did such a hot job last year. Granted, his toys were of poor quality. Nonetheless I didn't feel like he got the most out of those toys. I still don't understand why we were among the league leaders in pass attempts (and this includes the first quarter, negating the playing-from-behind argument) when we had Wrecks/Beck slinging the ball and two young studs with fresh legs who could have carried it more.

But Kyle has shown that he can create a high octane offense when he has high quality toys. Therefore I expect a more robust showing from him this year.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:19 PM   #168
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Based on the opinions of people that know more than me: Kyle is really good at being a coordinator and schemes. Based on my lowly opinion. He is not a great play caller.
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Kyle has developed the talent and implemented a system for several years, excuses are done. This year its time to shut up and put up some numbers.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:41 PM   #170
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^ I don't think you'll have many that will argue with you. If RG3 develops like everyone hopes he will, Kyle should do just fine.
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Breaking News: Dezmon Briscoe to the Redskins
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Kyle has developed the talent and implemented a system for several years, excuses are done. This year its time to shut up and put up some numbers.
Let's not forget that at the most important position we have a rookie that didn't play in a pro system. All rookie QB's struggle. Even some of the great ones...Troy Aikman and John Elway had terrible rookie seasons. I expect RG3 to do the same. Especially early.
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Let's not forget that at the most important position we have a rookie that didn't play in a pro system. All rookie QB's struggle. Even some of the great ones...Troy Aikman and John Elway had terrible rookie seasons. I expect RG3 to do the same. Especially early.
Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco beg to differ.. Just because he's a rookie doesn't automatically equal struggles. Sure he will have rookie moments but him playing like a middle tier NFL QB isn't out of the realm of possibility. Just don't expect him to be a top 12 QB right away and you won't be disappointed.
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Rookie QBs are much more pro ready than they were back in Elway and Aikman's day. RG3 isn't going to struggle in the same way they did.
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Let's not forget that at the most important position we have a rookie that didn't play in a pro system. All rookie QB's struggle. Even some of the great ones...Troy Aikman and John Elway had terrible rookie seasons. I expect RG3 to do the same. Especially early.
Even though Griff is a rookie QB I don't expect him to struggle the way you suggest.
Times have changed and recent success of rookie QB has been more the rule then the exception.
Mike Shanahan has spoken of putting the pieces around a QB to have success.
Obviously he feels the current team had the blocks to support that success.
If Griffin struggles then something is wrong, and I don't neccesarily mean with him.
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Alright guys I'm being completely honest here.. Does anyone else find Shanahan is starting to go senile? The guy answering questions at the press conference today was not the Mike Shanahan I know.

Anyways, I like the Briscoe claim.
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Alright guys I'm being completely honest here.. Does anyone else find Shanahan is starting to go senile? The guy answering questions at the press conference today was not the Mike Shanahan I know.

Anyways, I like the Briscoe claim.
How do you figure, sports fan?
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How do you figure, sports fan?
What does being a sports fan have to do with it? I think the guy is starting to lose it, it's as simple as that.
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