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Old 07-18-2012, 04:10 AM   #31
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4. QB - I think this will be a battle to watch and as excited as I am for RG 3 come game 1 in the regular. I am just as excited to see who Cousins is in the preseason ( remember we are just talking about preseason football but at least we get that for a few weeks before the fun starts ).
Something tells me that Grossman will outshine Cousins. If Cousins somehow plays better in preseason than Grossman, I still wouldn't be surprised if Cousins is still third string by the first game of the season.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:16 AM   #32
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Love the breakdown on safeties. I think this is a bigger weakness than corner. Doughty's past what prime he had. Love his effort on D and teams last season, and hope he stays, but if he's starting even at SS next season, we have major issues.
When Reed is being mentioned as the best safety on the roster, you know you have by far the worst safety play in the league.

I think Merriweather, Jackson and Williams are obvious very low risk stop gaps. Id like to see Gomes to take that next step.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:00 AM   #33
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With Chase being put on the PUP list, that is really big news. A) hes made the team...to an extent. B) the injury is still lingering which sux and he will be behind unfortunately C) opens up another opportunity for someone to make the team at CB, maybe Barnes makes the team? D) He's shown enough for the FO to say take it easy and lets get him 100%.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:07 AM   #34
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So other than Chase M who else is on the PUP list? Great that CM is going to get a chance but I don't like the fact that he is ready to go now.
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Assuming Cousins develops well, i wouldnt be surprised if we have a situation where Grossman is the backup if RGIII goes down during a game and/or if he is only going to be out for a couple weeks. However, if RGIII were lost for the season, i think we'd put Cousins in to see what he could do. We've seen what Rex can do already and its turn over the ball atleast twice per game without scoring as many compsentating TDs. If Cousins is worse than Rex, even as a rookie, then i'll start to question why we used a 4th rounder on him.
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Love the breakdown on safeties. I think this is a bigger weakness than corner. Doughty's past what prime he had. Love his effort on D and teams last season, and hope he stays, but if he's starting even at SS next season, we have major issues.
Thanks and I agree that S is a bigger weakness then corner.

I think most fans still judge/base their opinion of Reed from back when he took over at FS after ST21 rip and played poorly.
But, Reed has actually become decent/starting caliber SS.
The advanced metrics bear this out.(football outsiders/profootball focus)
You say Reed's past his prime (and last year was a down year for him) but even last Doughty was still better then Meriweather/Jackson/M.Williams.

I'm ready for a youth movement at Safety.
At least the mistakes youth makes are teachable moments.
A mistake from a veteran is just a reminder that they're not that good.
I know its a longshot but a defensive backfield of Doughty + Gomes or Doughty + Barnes or Doughty + Bernstein would be alright with me.

Aging, struggling, freelancing, headcase, poor tackling safeties scare me.
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So other than Chase M who else is on the PUP list? Great that CM is going to get a chance but I don't like the fact that he is ready to go now.
Tristan Davis was the other one on the PUP.
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Thanks and I agree that S is a bigger weakness then corner.

I think most fans still judge/base their opinion of Reed from back when he took over at FS after ST21 rip and played poorly.
But, Reed has actually become decent/starting caliber SS.
The advanced metrics bear this out.(football outsiders/profootball focus)
You say Reed's past his prime (and last year was a down year for him) but even last Doughty was still better then Meriweather/Jackson/M.Williams
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I'm ready for a youth movement at Safety.
At least the mistakes youth makes are teachable moments.
A mistake from a veteran is just a reminder that they're not that good.
I know its a longshot but a defensive backfield of Doughty + Gomes or Doughty + Barnes or Doughty + Bernstein would be alright with me.

Aging, struggling, freelancing, headcase, poor tackling safeties scare me.
Please tell me why the Shanny's go out and get least talented players to start over Reed? Reed is a backup at best. Another instance of stats lying to ya.
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I think Reed is the classic example of fan perception not lining up with reality.
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Most of my points have already been addressed! Great B&G minds think alike!

If R. Grossman and R. Doughty are cut, then with addition by subtraction, all will be better. Neither are worthy of a roster spot.
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I think Reed is the classic example of fan perception not lining up with reality.
I agree. If the coaches felt Reed didn't bring anything to the table, they wouldn't be wasting a roster spot on him.
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Oh, I disagree. Doughty is very capable as a backup.

But he should be a backup only. Having him start would speak negative volumes about our talent/skill level at safety.
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Undrafted rookie CB Chase Minnifield (knee) will reportedly open training camp on the active/PUP list.

Although Minnifield underwent microfracture surgery over the winter, this still comes as a bit of surprise in that the former Virginia star shined while participating fully in June minicamp. The Redskins are building in roster flexibility with the option to leave Minnifield on reserve/PUP for the first six games. RB Tristan Davis (undisclosed) is also expected to open camp on the PUP list.

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Old 07-18-2012, 04:27 PM   #44
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Please tell me why the Shanny's go out and get least talented players to start over Reed? Reed is a backup at best. Another instance of stats lying to ya.
I wasn't aware anyone had been named or given the starting job.
Shanahan is all about competition and if Meriweather, Jackson or M.Williams prove to be better then I'm sure they'll start.
And my guess as Shanny's thinking behind bringing in those players is the hope that they can resurrect their careers and return to a level of play that might only exist in the past.
If Meriweather or Jackson could return to the players they were 2 and 3 years ago it would be sweet.
All, I'm saying is that I doubt it.

When you compare each player you would be lying if you said that last year any of them played better then Reed. (that's despite the fact that Reed had a bad year.

Personally, I think we should placed greater priority on addressing the safety position then we did.

But, short of that if all things are equal I want to see youth.

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football outsider/profootball focus go to great lengths to ensure the validity of their metrics
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I agree. If the coaches felt Reed didn't bring anything to the table, they wouldn't be wasting a roster spot on him.
Yup, Reed survived the purging of a regime change with coaches that owed him no allegiance.

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Oh, I disagree. Doughty is very capable as a backup.

But he should be a backup only. Having him start would speak negative volumes about our talent/skill level at safety.
Reed has been a capable starting SS, just not well liked or appreciated by fans.
2011-11 starts
2010-9 starts
2009-7 starts

I would love it if we found a Safety or 2 that are better then Doughty.
Nothing would make me happier.
I just question whether the guys we brought in are them.
Its gonna be an interesting competition to watch.
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