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07-18-2012, 04:27 PM
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Shanahan is all about competition and if Meriweather, Jackson or M.Williams prove to be better then I'm sure they'll start. And my guess as Shanny's thinking behind bringing in those players is the hope that they can resurrect their careers and return to a level of play that might only exist in the past. If Meriweather or Jackson could return to the players they were 2 and 3 years ago it would be sweet. All, I'm saying is that I doubt it. When you compare each player you would be lying if you said that last year any of them played better then Reed. (that's despite the fact that Reed had a bad year. Personally, I think we should placed greater priority on addressing the safety position then we did. But, short of that if all things are equal I want to see youth. BTW- football outsider/profootball focus go to great lengths to ensure the validity of their metrics
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07-18-2012, 04:33 PM
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2011-11 starts 2010-9 starts 2009-7 starts I would love it if we found a Safety or 2 that are better then Doughty. Nothing would make me happier. I just question whether the guys we brought in are them. Its gonna be an interesting competition to watch.
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07-18-2012, 04:38 PM
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07-18-2012, 04:54 PM
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07-18-2012, 07:07 PM
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07-18-2012, 07:10 PM
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07-18-2012, 09:08 PM
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So if Reed wins the job it means the Safety play is going to be bad? But, if 1 of the worst 2 safeties in the NFL last year win the job the safety play is gonna be good?
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07-18-2012, 09:33 PM
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30, I always appreciate your opinion, but dont you agree better safety play means overall better play on defense? And not just Reed, Gomes too. I mean, Jackson and Merriweather are just as responsible as well. I know both the last year have struggled, and go back and read, I was not a fan of the initial Merriweather signing one bit. But I think both bring better potential to that side of the field than Reed or Gomes. I want the youth movement too, lets see how camp plays out.
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07-18-2012, 09:39 PM
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07-18-2012, 10:21 PM
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And to be clear the Redskins did not have league worst safety play last year. They were decent in pass defense 12th. Quote:
But, I'm not gonna start believing in ghosts to upgrade the safety play just because it makes me feel good. Expecting Meriweather or Tanard Jackson based on last years actual on the field play is akin to pissing on my leg and telling me its raining. Quote:
But, suffice it to say that nothing about the recent play of either Meriweather or Jackson suggest that they'll be better then Reed much less return to the players they were 2-3 years ago. I hope like heck they do, but if i was in the FO I certainly wouldn't be going in their direction. Me thinks you're dislike of Reed Doughty clearly clouds your evaluation of him as a player. And what is to stop Gomes form playing at a high level? Gomes already plays as well or better then Meriweather or Jackson played last year and there always the possiblity of improvement with young players. Quote:
Reed Doughty comes in at 7th on the "Best DBs" list, with only 3 broken tackles with 75 tackles, a 3.8% rate. The surest DB, Jason Allen, comes in at a 0% rate with 0 broken with 55 tackles. The worst DB is Asante Samuel - 14 broken with 39 tackles...... ...in 2010 according to Football Outsiders Doughty carried a 63% 'Success Rate' in all plays he was involved in - good enough to rank him 14th in the NFL amongst his SS peers. He has improved every year... Top 10 Run Defense Ratings for Safeties (2011) 2011's Best Performances: Safeties | ProFootballFocus.com 1. Troy Polamalu (PIT), Wildcard at Denver (+3.8) 2t. Troy Polamalu (PIT), Week 10 at Cincinnati (+2.8) 2t. Ryan Mundy (PIT), Wildcard at Denver (+2.8) 4. Thomas Decoud (ATL), Week 13 at Houston (+2.5) 5t. Reed Doughty (WAS), Week 7 at Carolina (+2.4) 5t. Tyvon Branch (OAK), Week 9 vs. Denver (+2.4) 5t. Quintin Mikell (SL), Week 15 vs. Cincinnati (+2.4) 8t. Troy Polamalu (PIT), Week 16 at St Louis (+2.3) 8t. Kam Chancellor (SEA), Week 1 at San Francisco (+2.3) 8t. Reed Doughty (WAS), Week 13 vs. New York Jets (+2.3) 8t. Roman Harper (NO), Week 10 at Atlanta (+2.3) https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...fensive-backs/
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07-19-2012, 12:17 AM
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The SS, FS and CB position scare the flying monkey shit out me this year. Remember '06? The only reason every team we played didn't score 40+ every game is because of the late, great SEAN FUGGIN TAYLOR(RIP).
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07-19-2012, 01:49 AM
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07-19-2012, 05:46 AM
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07-19-2012, 06:01 AM
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And if you want to play that game why was a 1st round pick safety with 2 "pro-bowls" cut by the team that drafted him signed by a team that ran a similar 2-deep scheme then benched and cut by that team? Look it, and this is the last I'll say about it. Reed is an average SS in the NFL.<-----not an opinion Our safety position could stand an upgrade. Based on how the safeties we signed performed last year(<----not an opinion they were BAD) I doubt they will provide that upgrade. Your contention that the they will be better then Reed seems to based soley on your dislike for Reed and your desire to see improved safety play. I guess the grass is always greener.
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07-19-2012, 06:03 AM
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I don't understand why people think he can play FS.
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