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Old 07-30-2012, 01:54 PM   #46
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Honestly...being overly emotional here...I couldn't get behind trading Cooley to the Raiders for anything reasonable. The guy has been a trooper for the Skins for years. He deserves better than getting shipped off to football hell. I'm ok moving on without him but only if we can get him to a decent situation and get a reasonable return. Tripp is right. if we can get a younger guy under team control for a a few more years then it should happen. Just not Oakland.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:57 PM   #47
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I would bet my income this year Winston would have helped this team more than Garcon, Morgan.
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I would have thought that finding a RT that we know (not hope) could play at a high level would have been the #1 offseason priority.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:59 PM   #48
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:02 PM   #49
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It's not like we've ever gotten much of of JB to begin with. Is his absence really that big of a deal considering when he's played, he's been mediocre at best?
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:02 PM   #50
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I'm not sure we needed Garcon AND Morgan (particularly when you consider Morgan has the same injury concerns as Hankerson coming into the season), but 7 out of 7 days I'll take Garcon over Winston if we had to choose one or the other. First because as solid as he is Winston is coming off of off-season ankle surgery (I understand it was minor), wanted one of the biggest contracts ever for a RT and his strength is run blocking (we are not a run heavy team). And also because I tend to think a top flight WR is more important than a RT.
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It's not like we've ever gotten much of of JB to begin with. Is his absence really that big of a deal considering when he's played, he's been mediocre at best?
Yeah, I thought Polumbus looked just as good. I gues I dont know what I am looking at. Our line only gave up two sacks a game with Willie and Polummbus in there at tackles. Maybe, it was because the game plan was altered. But I am with you, infact Royster came in and averaged 5.9 yds a carey.
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I'm not sure we needed Garcon AND Morgan (particularly when you consider Morgan has the same injury concerns as Hankerson coming into the season), but 7 out of 7 days I'll take Garcon over Winston if we had to choose one or the other. First because as solid as he is Winston is coming off of off-season ankle surgery (I understand it was minor), wanted one of the biggest contracts ever for a RT and his strength is run blocking (we are not a run heavy team). And also because I tend to think a top flight WR is more important than a RT.
Seems like one of RG3's favorite targets so far has been Garcon, based on the camp reports I've read. Too many are ready to call the deal a bust before even seeing it play out.
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I'm not sure we needed Garcon AND Morgan (particularly when you consider Morgan has the same injury concerns as Hankerson coming into the season), but 7 out of 7 days I'll take Garcon over Winston if we had to choose one or the other. First because as solid as he is Winston is coming off of off-season ankle surgery (I understand it was minor), wanted one of the biggest contracts ever for a RT and his strength is run blocking (we are not a run heavy team). And also because I tend to think a top flight WR is more important than a RT.
Solid points all around, and I think RT vs WR for the 2012 season was/is/will be a good debate.

As others have said Garcon is Griffin's favorite target so far. My hope is Griffin's mobility keeps him upright as the o line struggles.
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:23 PM   #54
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I honestly wouldnt feel very comfortable with our TE position if we traded cooley. Davis is one smoke away from being suspended for a year, and he's not under contract beyond 2012 anyways. Niles Paul has never played a snap at TE in his life. He barely got on the field last year at his natural WR positon. It irks me that so many people think he's somehow garaunteed to be a great TE. He could become one one day, sure, but its not garaunteed or even likely at this point. We are simply not as deep at TE as some people like to beleive. If we trade cooley, it needs to be for something of reasonable value to us.
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I'm not sure we needed Garcon AND Morgan (particularly when you consider Morgan has the same injury concerns as Hankerson coming into the season), but 7 out of 7 days I'll take Garcon over Winston if we had to choose one or the other. First because as solid as he is Winston is coming off of off-season ankle surgery (I understand it was minor), wanted one of the biggest contracts ever for a RT and his strength is run blocking (we are not a run heavy team). And also because I tend to think a top flight WR is more important than a RT.
But ... but ... we could have had Jabber "I know the system" Gaffney!!!

RT is a sore spot and I, too, was hoping for Winston, but I certainly wouldn't have paid top dollar for the guy for all the reasons SS states. Garcon has the potential to be a game breaker, Winston had the potential to be good.

We will be fine with who we have at RT. Not dominant - fine.
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I would bet my income this year Winston would have helped this team more than Garcon, Morgan.
I would take that bet everday and twice on Sunday. Name your real wager on Garcon, Morgan - what do they have to do to help the team more than Winston would have?

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Particularly when you consider there were better WRs than Garcon, Morgan on the market for less money.
Who? ... and please, please, don't put Gafney into the discussion.
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:31 PM   #58
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Khalif Barnes would be a Vinny type move and a steal for the Raiders. Barnes is horrible, he seems to hold on every play and is also a hot head notorious for stupid penalties. Don't make that trade.
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Barnes is horrible, he seems to hold on every play and is also a hot head notorious for stupid penalties. Don't make that trade.
Maybe, but he would still be an upgrade from Jammal Brown.
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but 7 out of 7 days I'll take Garcon over Winston if we had to choose one or the other. First because as solid as he is Winston is coming off of off-season ankle surgery (I understand it was minor), wanted one of the biggest contracts ever for a RT and his strength is run blocking (we are not a run heavy team). And also because I tend to think a top flight WR is more important than a RT.
Well since we're rehashing.
I would have happily paid Winston 4 for $22 million he would have turned an area of weakness into an area of strength.
Run or pass Winston has been one of the best: Eric Winston Hits the Market. Really? | ProFootballFocus.com

Imo QB success is linked to the quality of the OL and especially for rookie QB who typically are even more dependent upon pass protection.
People look at Cam's success and forget how good his OL was, Cam had all day back there.
Imo the quality of play at the point of attack is the easiest/surest way to ensure success or failure.


And this isn't a slight against Garcon, I think he's gonna be a good player.
But, I think the development of a franchise QB begins inside out.
In year 1 having solid OL/pass protection is more important then upgrading the WR corps.
Also, I think there was greater depth in the WR market place then there was in the RT.

I like the potential of our young OL/RT and at this stage I would rather go with what we got then chase after Barnes or a Barnes like player.
Forester just knows going in that RT might be an area that needs help schematically but how different would that be from when Jammal Brown was starting?
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