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Old 07-31-2012, 07:29 PM   #91
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I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument
What about the "Brown has been injured since day 1 with the Skins, but this year it will be different" argument or the "RG3 will make the Oline better". Because rookie QB usually have that affect on Olines.

This is completely on Shanny and Bruce. Ive been relatively easy on and supportive of both, but I think its a bit naive to depend on Willie Smith as plan B for a RT who hasn't performed the entire time in the B&G. I dunno, is that an unreasonable view? I'm hoping for the best and by no means think this is the end of season, but jeez its a lil perplexing we wouldn't a have a better plan RT at this point.
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Old 07-31-2012, 07:31 PM   #92
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Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.

the sky isn't falling, but there is reason to be concerned. our OL isn't super to begin with, and striking a couple starters isn't helpful.

There just wasn't much at OT this year. OTs and CBs will be available next year, which bruce allen has already talked about.
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Well in some good news it sounds like TW is having a strong camp.
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Who ever thought that 3 words could do so much harm.
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Well in some good news it sounds like TW is having a strong camp.
Yeah, you gotta like the part where Shanny said that TW is more focused than he's ever been. That doesn't seem like ordinary coach-speak.
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What about the "Brown has been injured since day 1 with the Skins, but this year it will be different" argument or the "RG3 will make the Oline better". Because rookie QB usually have that affect on Olines.

This is completely on Shanny and Bruce. Ive been relatively easy on and supportive of both, but I think its a bit naive to depend on Willie Smith as plan B for a RT who hasn't performed the entire time in the B&G. I dunno, is that an unreasonable view? I'm hoping for the best and by no means think this is the end of season, but jeez its a lil perplexing we wouldn't a have a better plan RT at this point.
Actually Polumbus would be plan B.

I guess I just don't see the big deal considering we were down 3 starters last year for the last month or so, and the line played arguably their best ball of the season during that stretch.
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Yeah, you gotta like the part where Shanny said that TW is more focused than he's ever been. That doesn't seem like ordinary coach-speak.
Yeah he sounds locked in.

I think Trent is going to be ok as far as far as his off the field stuff. Davis still concerns me, but then again he's a good year away from a big payday so if that doesn't inspire him to lay off the smoke nothing will.
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Speaking of Trent, I just found this

NFL Tuesday Redskins training camp thoughts - ESPN
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Speaking of Trent, I just found this

NFL Tuesday Redskins training camp thoughts - ESPN
Thanks for sharing, Mattyk.

Trent Williams seems to be coming together. But he's nowhere near where Chris Samuels was heading into his third season in the NFL.

That was an overall informative report.
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I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument
Haven't heard this argument.
But, there were good OL prospects.

Whether or not they become good lineman remains to be seen like with any prospect at any position.
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If the guys pegged as your quality depth are starting then who is your depth?
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I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument
Honestly SS unless guys here are scouts or members of the team, how would any of us really know who fits and what they want out of a player or even who they are targeting as a need? It's football and I don't have enough time with a family, work, and school to tell you who is good to draft in the fourth round.

Basically right now I like the Cousins pick. They tried to fill a need on this team. A decent backup qb was a need and found a guy in cousins who they felt filled the need.
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Drafting an OT instead of Cousins would've made sense too. Doesn't mean that OT would've been any better than Polumbus, Smith, or Black at this point in the season or down the road.

However, that OT could've been just as promising depth-wise as Cousins is.
And probably more likely to play for us. Not knocking the pick we made... if we didn't think anyone could contribute more to the team then fine.
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Drafting an OT instead of Cousins would've made sense too. Doesn't mean that OT would've been any better than Polumbus, Smith, or Black at this point in the season or down the road.

However, that OT could've been just as promising depth-wise as Cousins is.
Bringing Cousins into the discussion just confuses the discussion with peoples knee jerk desire to defend the Cousins pick so I'm not gonna comment on it.
But, with Jammal Brown's level of play, injury and missed starts an argument could be made that addressing the RT position should have been a higher priority.
I like profootball focus metrics and Jammal Brown had a terrible rating. (-18)
According to PFF Tyler was better then Brown but not by much (-16), but at least Tyler is young and you expect him to improve with playing time and maybe he develops into a league average RT?

But, right now that's just a hope.
And if Tyler is gonna be a starter then where is our quality depth?

Imo finding a more certain solution to the RT situation should have been a much higher priority.
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It comes done to who they thought they were getting a steal on. That's how Shanny has described the pick of cousins. They really liked the guy and he was there so... He's on our football team. It was an area of need that he saw he could fill.

Honestly would a 4th round pick t right now make you feel that much better about our line?
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