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Old 08-25-2012, 07:32 PM   #121
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Our secondary still sucks.

Hall gambles too much, Wilson is average. Our depth looks bad.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:39 PM   #122
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Our secondary still sucks.

Hall gambles too much, Wilson is average. Our depth looks bad.
I think our secondary will still be better than it was last year. Thought Wilson and Tarnard Jax played great today. D Hall wasnt bad either...Crawford, Gomes are young and shown some promise.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:47 PM   #123
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I think our secondary will still be better than it was last year. Thought Wilson and Tarnard Jax played great today. D Hall wasnt bad either...Crawford, Gomes are young and shown some promise.
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I think our secondary will still be better than it was last year. Thought Wilson and Tarnard Jax played great today. D Hall wasnt bad either...Crawford, Gomes are young and shown some promise.
Thought Jackson had a good game and maybe the best safety play we have seen all preseason. The nickel corner concerns me and so does the safety position. Can Jax play the free spot with BM playing SS?

Williams and Griffin I think we can all agree are liabilities on the field.
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Thought Jackson had a good game and maybe the best safety play we have seen all preseason. The nickel corner concerns me and so does the safety position. Can Jax play the free spot with BM playing SS?

Williams and Griffin I think we can all agree are liabilities on the field.
yeah, Jax at fs and BM at SS I think will be the starting safeties vs NO.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:43 PM   #126
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D Hall must be given some credit for putting his helmet in opposing ball carriers chests in the last two years. He has gotten alot more physical than he used to be. I would say he went from a below average tackler to an average tackler. He had a fairly good year (or alot better than previous years) last year. I'm not afraid to give him a little credit for getting a bit more physical..

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Here, here let the wisdom of the Lotus be heard. Just as some of us have said RGIII and the WRs can compensate for struggles across the oline, a defensive front seven can compensate for a struggling secondary. I thought of the Giants but the Pats are a good example as well.

And Morris' coaching is a major positive for the secondary. He will find ways to cover up his group's weakness, the question is to what extent...
And the Giants were dead last in Rushing. Saints D had issues, so did the Packers. The Niners and Ravens were probably the most complete teams, but every team has holes. The panic over the O line and secondary seems a little over the top. Skins won 5 games with a QB who turned the ball over 26 times and lost his starting job to a guy fighting for his life to be the third string QB in Houston this year.

All that matters this year is whether or not we found our franchise QB. The O line is plenty good. It may not be the best in the league, but Beck and Rex were hardly running for their lives last year and we ran the ball well, especially late in the season when our backups were playing. RG3 will have every opportunity to succeed.
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And actually there are some old school safeties that are rated still as the greatest of all time. Problem with every greatest poll is people vote according to what they have seen in their lifetime. Even 80 greatest redskins. I love lavar but please. Over our long history he is not one of the 80 greatest.
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And actually there are some old school safeties that are rated still as the greatest of all time. Problem with every greatest poll is people vote according to what they have seen in their lifetime. Even 80 greatest redskins. I love lavar but please. Over our long history he is not one of the 80 greatest.
I agree I'm only 25 so I'm still a young pup when it comes to greatest players but I def respect the history
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:42 AM   #131
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ummmmm, Ken Houston anyone???
Now there's a smart comment. Ken Houston kicked ass. I'll never forget his tackle of Walt Garrison just short of the goal line, thus preserving a victory over Dall-ass.
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ummmmm, Ken Houston anyone???
Ken Houston was a beast. All the man did was break up passes and intercept them.
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Old 08-26-2012, 03:51 AM   #133
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I'm not surprised -- Shanahan has been a huge disappointment as a coach (11W 21L, two straight last place finishes in the NFC East, and 0-3 on QBs not counting RG3). Aside from Trent Williams he has done nothing for the OL, not developed a decent run game, and has a secondary that was shredded by Jay Cutler and Andrew Luck in back to back games.

This is venting to some extent but the Redskins finished 12th in the league in Passing yards allowed and 13th in overall defense. Not spectacular but pretty decent for an otherwise shitty team -- so of course he took one of the few strengths and made it a glaring weakness.
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D Hall must be given some credit for putting his helmet in opposing ball carriers chests in the last two years. He has gotten alot more physical than he used to be. I would say he went from a below average tackler to an average tackler. He had a fairly good year (or alot better than previous years) last year. I'm not afraid to give him a little credit for getting a bit more physical.

This year, I expect him to be more improved as a tackler than last year. I guess they plan on putting him on the slot receiver some this year, due to Barnes inability to line up on the inside. With Hall being closer to the ball, I could see him snag a few more INT's this year as well. And with him playing under the umbrella, and closer to the line of scrimmage a little more frequently, he should have more tackles as opposed to previous years as well.
Regarding Hall's tackling, here's two words for you: Rob Gronkowski. By the way, Hall also missed an easy tackle last night. He doesn't like to tackle, he doesn't want to tackle, he often makes pathetically weak attempts to tackle, and sometimes he avoids tackling altogether (as in the case of Rob G.).

On this team, which is weak at the CB position, moving Hall inside only exposes another corner who can't cover on the outside. I think the Skins are in need of one more capable NFL CB to shore up the defensive secondary.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:26 PM   #135
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I'm not surprised -- Shanahan has been a huge disappointment as a coach (11W 21L, two straight last place finishes in the NFC East, and 0-3 on QBs not counting RG3). Aside from Trent Williams he has done nothing for the OL, not developed a decent run game, and has a secondary that was shredded by Jay Cutler and Andrew Luck in back to back games.

This is venting to some extent but the Redskins finished 12th in the league in Passing yards allowed and 13th in overall defense. Not spectacular but pretty decent for an otherwise shitty team -- so of course he took one of the few strengths and made it a glaring weakness.
I beg to differ, even if it is a little homerish.

His predecessors Zorn and Vinny, inherited a team that was built by Gibbs, breakeven W/L but was making the playoffs every other year. Shanny inherited a team built by Vinny, a team that fell apart halfway thru year 1 and never recovered the next year like Gibbs' teams did.

Shanny dumped Jason Campbell and Stephon Heyer. That's two pretty good upgrades bringing in anyone decent. I think Luck did worse against our secondary than others (due to our pass rush, sure).

But the biggest problem with our secondary getting worse was Carlos getting an attitude and leaving and Springs/Smoot getting old. Shanny's trying to upgrade those positions but he's rightfully concentrating on our lines more. We've had a lot more draft picks and transition on OL than Vinny, for a new ZBS that takes time. And look at our front on D.
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