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Old 09-25-2012, 04:06 PM   #226
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did hear a report just a few minutes ago on a local station that they are 5.8 mil a year apart in negotiations.
$181,250 a team? Seriously...just split the difference and fix the game.
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the commish gets $20mill for turning the league into a sideshow? doesn't seem like he's up to the task either.

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The issue is that the part time refs want a full time employees pension plan. The plan they want some full time NFL employees do not receive so how can the give the part time REFs a better pension?
Its pretty easy actually. You just give it to them. Its not even giving it to them, its actually just not taking away something they have been giving them for 30 years or so.

The fact is the harder the job, the more it is supposed to get paid. If its a specialty job, stop comparing it to the cashier at the local wal-mart. If the cashier at wal-mart could ref NFL games efficiently at 7 dollars an hour, this thread doesnt exist. Since the NFL is making 9 billion per year, and the replacement refs are making them look like a joke, the normal NFL refs are sure looking like they earn that money and pension. If they have earned it, then let them have it.

This entire argument that some cashiers and secretaries are full time and dont receive a pension are not legitimate arguments over whether an NFL ref deserves one or not.
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Its pretty easy actually. You just give it to them. Its not even giving it to them, its actually just not taking away something they have been giving them for 30 years or so.

The fact is the harder the job, the more it is supposed to get paid. If its a specialty job, stop comparing it to the cashier at the local wal-mart. If the cashier at wal-mart could ref NFL games efficiently at 7 dollars an hour, this thread doesnt exist. Since the NFL is making 9 billion per year, and the replacement refs are making them look like a joke, the normal NFL refs are sure looking like they earn that money and pension. If they have earned it, then let them have it.

This entire argument that some cashiers and secretaries are full time and dont receive a pension are not legitimate arguments over whether an NFL ref deserves one or not.
Well said. We are seeing how important their job is - something tells me if the secretaries went on strike it would not be so obvious to us.
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I do see owners part of the argument as well though, I mean these guys work what 20 games a year counting playoffs and they make damn good money, but it's just gotten to a point that the league needs to get this done ASAP. It's beyond ridiculous
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I do see owners part of the argument as well though, I mean these guys work what 20 games a year counting playoffs and they make damn good money, but it's just gotten to a point that the league needs to get this done ASAP. It's beyond ridiculous
Again though its about how important their job is. Brain surgeons arent doing multiple brain surgeries every day but when one needs to be done are you going to pay him or some kid in med school?
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Again though its about how important their job is. Brain surgeons arent doing multiple brain surgeries every day but when one needs to be done are you going to pay him or some kid in med school?
No doubt I agree with what your saying, it's just I kinda do see both sides here
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Its pretty easy actually. You just give it to them. Its not even giving it to them, its actually just not taking away something they have been giving them for 30 years or so.

The fact is the harder the job, the more it is supposed to get paid. If its a specialty job, stop comparing it to the cashier at the local wal-mart. If the cashier at wal-mart could ref NFL games efficiently at 7 dollars an hour, this thread doesnt exist. Since the NFL is making 9 billion per year, and the replacement refs are making them look like a joke, the normal NFL refs are sure looking like they earn that money and pension. If they have earned it, then let them have it.

This entire argument that some cashiers and secretaries are full time and dont receive a pension are not legitimate arguments over whether an NFL ref deserves one or not.
Ok, then compare it to MLB Umps or NBA refs
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The four issues (according to CNN) holding the Refs out:

1. Pay - Refs want more.
Okay, I am down w/ the refs on this one. The NFL product makes gazillions and, as we have seen, the refs are a big part of that product.

2. Pension - NFL wants to change it, Refs don't want it changed.
See above. Part-time NFL refs have a direct and immediate impact on the field of play, to me they are not the same as other part-time employees.

3. Reserve Refs - NFL wants to have the ability to replace underperforming refs. Refs don't want this b/c it affects their job security.
Going with the NFL on this one. Sorry, "job security" seems to me just a way to protect on the field refs from their own mistakes. Sorry, for the same reason you get more pay (being the best of the best) is the same reason you don't get that kind of job security.

4. Full-time refs - NFL wants some, Refs are okay with it so long as pay is commensurate.
Okay. Not sure this is an issue but, if it is, and reffing is currently a "part time" job, and you want to make it "full time" then full time employees should be making more than their part time compatriots.

Four things the locked out NFL referees, league are still negotiating - CNN.com

When it comes to the money, I am on the "Pay'em" side. The NFL is a different paradigm than the other major sports leagues for many, many reasons and using other major league refs as a comparison, to me, fails to consider these differences. At the same time, I think the refs need to give up point 3. If this is an entirely different paradigm, part of that is b/c small screw ups have big reprucussions and, at this level, poor performance has serious ramifications - specifically, you don't get to continue in the big leagues. (I hear the LFL needs some refs).
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The four issues (according to CNN) holding the Refs out:

1. Pay - Refs want more.
Okay, I am down w/ the refs on this one. The NFL product makes gazillions and, as we have seen, the refs are a big part of that product.

2. Pension - NFL wants to change it, Refs don't want it changed.
See above. Part-time NFL refs have a direct and immediate impact on the field of play, to me they are not the same as other part-time employees.

3. Reserve Refs - NFL wants to have the ability to replace underperforming refs. Refs don't want this b/c it affects their job security.
Going with the NFL on this one. Sorry, "job security" seems to me just a way to protect on the field refs from their own mistakes. Sorry, for the same reason you get more pay (being the best of the best) is the same reason you don't get that kind of job security.

4. Full-time refs - NFL wants some, Refs are okay with it so long as pay is commensurate.
Okay. Not sure this is an issue but, if it is, and reffing is currently a "part time" job, and you want to make it "full time" then full time employees should be making more than their part time compatriots.

Four things the locked out NFL referees, league are still negotiating - CNN.com

When it comes to the money, I am on the "Pay'em" side. The NFL is a different paradigm than the other major sports leagues for many, many reasons and using other major league refs as a comparison, to me, fails to consider these differences. At the same time, I think the refs need to give up point 3. If this is an entirely different paradigm, part of that is b/c small screw ups have big reprucussions and, at this level, poor performance has serious ramifications - specifically, you don't get to continue in the big leagues. (I hear the LFL needs some refs).
I think this just about sums up my feelings on the issue. Well put JR.
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