Replacement refs: The story the NFL wants to keep quiet

Bucket · 09-26-2012, 12:02 AM

Call It Maybe (NFL Replacement Officials Parody) - KFAN FM 100.3 - YouTube

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SmootSmack · 09-26-2012, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Its pretty easy actually. You just give it to them. Its not even giving it to them, its actually just not taking away something they have been giving them for 30 years or so.

The fact is the harder the job, the more it is supposed to get paid. If its a specialty job, stop comparing it to the cashier at the local wal-mart. If the cashier at wal-mart could ref NFL games efficiently at 7 dollars an hour, this thread doesnt exist. Since the NFL is making 9 billion per year, and the replacement refs are making them look like a joke, the normal NFL refs are sure looking like they earn that money and pension. If they have earned it, then let them have it.

This entire argument that some cashiers and secretaries are full time and dont receive a pension are not legitimate arguments over whether an NFL ref deserves one or not.

Ok, then compare it to MLB Umps or NBA refs

Alvin Walton · 09-26-2012, 09:50 AM

Lang Says Players Could Take Action If NFL Refs Issue Continues « CBS Detroit

JoeRedskin · 09-26-2012, 10:32 AM

The four issues (according to CNN) holding the Refs out:

1. Pay - Refs want more.
Okay, I am down w/ the refs on this one. The NFL product makes gazillions and, as we have seen, the refs are a big part of that product.

2. Pension - NFL wants to change it, Refs don't want it changed.
See above. Part-time NFL refs have a direct and immediate impact on the field of play, to me they are not the same as other part-time employees.

3. Reserve Refs - NFL wants to have the ability to replace underperforming refs. Refs don't want this b/c it affects their job security.
Going with the NFL on this one. Sorry, "job security" seems to me just a way to protect on the field refs from their own mistakes. Sorry, for the same reason you get more pay (being the best of the best) is the same reason you don't get that kind of job security.

4. Full-time refs - NFL wants some, Refs are okay with it so long as pay is commensurate.
Okay. Not sure this is an issue but, if it is, and reffing is currently a "part time" job, and you want to make it "full time" then full time employees should be making more than their part time compatriots.

Four things the locked out NFL referees, league are still negotiating - CNN.com

When it comes to the money, I am on the "Pay'em" side. The NFL is a different paradigm than the other major sports leagues for many, many reasons and using other major league refs as a comparison, to me, fails to consider these differences. At the same time, I think the refs need to give up point 3. If this is an entirely different paradigm, part of that is b/c small screw ups have big reprucussions and, at this level, poor performance has serious ramifications - specifically, you don't get to continue in the big leagues. (I hear the LFL needs some refs).

mooby · 09-26-2012, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

The four issues (according to CNN) holding the Refs out:

1. Pay - Refs want more.
Okay, I am down w/ the refs on this one. The NFL product makes gazillions and, as we have seen, the refs are a big part of that product.

2. Pension - NFL wants to change it, Refs don't want it changed.
See above. Part-time NFL refs have a direct and immediate impact on the field of play, to me they are not the same as other part-time employees.

3. Reserve Refs - NFL wants to have the ability to replace underperforming refs. Refs don't want this b/c it affects their job security.
Going with the NFL on this one. Sorry, "job security" seems to me just a way to protect on the field refs from their own mistakes. Sorry, for the same reason you get more pay (being the best of the best) is the same reason you don't get that kind of job security.

4. Full-time refs - NFL wants some, Refs are okay with it so long as pay is commensurate.
Okay. Not sure this is an issue but, if it is, and reffing is currently a "part time" job, and you want to make it "full time" then full time employees should be making more than their part time compatriots.

Four things the locked out NFL referees, league are still negotiating - CNN.com

When it comes to the money, I am on the "Pay'em" side. The NFL is a different paradigm than the other major sports leagues for many, many reasons and using other major league refs as a comparison, to me, fails to consider these differences. At the same time, I think the refs need to give up point 3. If this is an entirely different paradigm, part of that is b/c small screw ups have big reprucussions and, at this level, poor performance has serious ramifications - specifically, you don't get to continue in the big leagues. (I hear the LFL needs some refs).

I think this just about sums up my feelings on the issue. Well put JR.

RedskinRat · 09-26-2012, 11:36 AM

And then there's this:

John Lynch says NFL “duped” FOX into going easy on replacements before Week One

SmootSmack · 09-26-2012, 11:45 AM

They're close to a deal. I'm not all in on the referees' side like others are, but I hope a fair deal is reached soon for the good of the game.

Alvin Walton · 09-26-2012, 11:52 AM

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Ruhskins · 09-26-2012, 12:04 PM

@AdamSchefter: via @mortreport, agreement btwn NFL /NFLRA is at hand. Both sides will work to have officials working this wknd

skinsfaninok · 09-26-2012, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They're close to a deal. I'm not all in on the referees' side like others are, but I hope a fair deal is reached soon for the good of the game.

I'm with u but I hope it's finally over

Ruhskins · 09-26-2012, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They're close to a deal. I'm not all in on the referees' side like others are, but I hope a fair deal is reached soon for the good of the game.

I may not be in the referee's side, but the NFL put themselves in a terrible situation. I don't know how anyone could have thought that these replacement refs would work out. I hope it was a fair deal for both sides.

skinsfan69 · 09-26-2012, 12:30 PM

Hopefully they get this done. Monday was the breaking point and it cost GB a game. Can not go another week of this nonsense. But to me it seems like the refs are asking for a lot. I'm all for paying them more but pensions for part time employees??

Mattyk · 09-26-2012, 12:31 PM

Shame it took a blown game to make this deal happen, but that's kind of what I was expecting.

Report: Agreement on deal between NFL, officials close | ProFootballTalk

SmootSmack · 09-26-2012, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Hopefully they get this done. Monday was the breaking point and it cost GB a game. Can not go another week of this nonsense. But to me it seems like the refs are asking for a lot. I'm all for paying them more but pensions for part time employees??

I'd be pretty stunned if a new deal is in place in time for the regular refs tomorrow night, so I'm guessing maybe a scab ref game tomorrow

Meks · 09-26-2012, 01:06 PM

^ i'm sure as well, but by the weekend let's hope...

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JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,146	Re: Replacement refs: The story the NFL wants to keep quiet The four issues (according to CNN) holding the Refs out: 1. Pay - Refs want more. Okay, I am down w/ the refs on this one. The NFL product makes gazillions and, as we have seen, the refs are a big part of that product. 2. Pension - NFL wants to change it, Refs don't want it changed. See above. Part-time NFL refs have a direct and immediate impact on the field of play, to me they are not the same as other part-time employees. 3. Reserve Refs - NFL wants to have the ability to replace underperforming refs. Refs don't want this b/c it affects their job security. Going with the NFL on this one. Sorry, "job security" seems to me just a way to protect on the field refs from their own mistakes. Sorry, for the same reason you get more pay (being the best of the best) is the same reason you don't get that kind of job security. 4. Full-time refs - NFL wants some, Refs are okay with it so long as pay is commensurate. Okay. Not sure this is an issue but, if it is, and reffing is currently a "part time" job, and you want to make it "full time" then full time employees should be making more than their part time compatriots. Four things the locked out NFL referees, league are still negotiating - CNN.com When it comes to the money, I am on the "Pay'em" side. The NFL is a different paradigm than the other major sports leagues for many, many reasons and using other major league refs as a comparison, to me, fails to consider these differences. At the same time, I think the refs need to give up point 3. If this is an entirely different paradigm, part of that is b/c small screw ups have big reprucussions and, at this level, poor performance has serious ramifications - specifically, you don't get to continue in the big leagues. (I hear the LFL needs some refs). __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

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09-26-2012, 11:45 AM	#247
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skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,105	Re: Replacement refs: The story the NFL wants to keep quiet Hopefully they get this done. Monday was the breaking point and it cost GB a game. Can not go another week of this nonsense. But to me it seems like the refs are asking for a lot. I'm all for paying them more but pensions for part time employees??

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