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Old 08-20-2012, 06:23 PM   #211
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Re: Redskins at Bears Post Game Thoughts

As you boys point out, Robert is bright....very bright. THAT and his motivation are undoubtedly his best attributes. Of the Rook mistakes he makes....He won't do it long. He'll improve....fast
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:26 PM   #212
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It'll be interesting if shanahan decides to start cousins in the next preseason game. After all its preseason, so there's no harm in preparing your second string qbs to take over in the event of rg3 getting injured midseason.
Shannahan isn't stupid. If he starts Cousins he opens the door for the BS hype for a qb controversy.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:32 PM   #213
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Notes on defense:

The secondary is a huge liability, no doubt about it. Wilson is the only decent cover corner. Hall's risk/reward ratio is only positive if he creats at least one turnover every game.
My bigger concern is the front seven. Apart from Kerrigan this group looked weak yesterday. London's absence was unmistakable. Zoe isn't ready to play ILB during the regular season and Riley isn't consistent (yet).
But most importantly it's just not clear what the defense is trying to do. Is it a pressure based defense, or a stout front 7 that punishes the running game?
Someone said Haslett should be sacked. I would say if the FO doesn't see him as part of the picture beyond the Shanahan regime then there's no reason to keep Haslett.
I hope the Redskin defense isn't slacking off but I understand what you mean. I keep telling myself that it's just preseason and once the games count, the Redskins will get better defensively. The main problem is the secondary just like last season. Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley, and Orakpo can certainly make plays as long as Carriker, Bowens, Cofield, and whoever else is on the D line find ways to constrict the opposing offensive line much like they did last season. If Cedric Griffin and Brandon Meriweather are not the answers in the defensive backfield, I would expect Jim Haslet and Raheem Morris to make changes. I'm looking forward to seeing Tanard Jackson play safety next Saturday vs. the Colts and lets hope that the rookie CB Crawford continues to shine. Crawford could be in line for the nickel back job if he continues to impress.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:32 PM   #214
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OFFENSIVE LINE NOTEs:

Most of the mistakes and missed assignments came from the 3 TEs set.
The playing calling didn't account for the youth on the OL.
Adam Gettis showed well in the 1st preseason game but it doesn't make sense to have him out there without help.
And it showed he was getting pushed back in the running game and beat in the passing game.
While preseason is an evaluation its also time to prepare a rookie QB and putting him behind an OL that is struggling and not opening up holes doesn't teach him a lot. (except maybe to expect poor pass pro).
Imho they may as well start gameplanning for the players that are on the field right now because they're very likely gonna be the players we go into the season with.
A nit pick I have in the running game is appears that either the OL are in too much of hurry to get to the second level or their being taught that way.
But the end result is often an OL getting to the second level (not always making the block) but his neighbor losing at the point of attack on the LOS.
And if the POA is lost on the LOS it doesn't matter if the other lineman makes it to the second level while the play is being blown up in the backfield.
I don't mean to single out Gettis here, there were plent of OL screwing up (to include Trent Williams).
But, if Gettis is gonna be out there with the 1st unit he's gonna need some help through scheme/playaclling/blocking assignments.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:38 PM   #215
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Once Lichtensteiger and Chester return the offensive line will be back to normal. Against a heavy strong defensive front like the Chicago Bears have, I would expect rookie linemen to struggle. Maurice Hurt played a decent game but right tackle is a concern. Mike Shanahan said in the offseason that Jammal Brown was going to have to prove that he could stay healthy in order to make the team. Well, he has proven once again that he can't stay healthy and the Redskins front office erred greatly in not pursuing a quality veteran right tackle in free agency.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:41 PM   #216
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Really good post, agree on this point 100%, and it was Davis....WIDE OPEN. Just patience and trust in the play development, it will come. RG3 is a very bright guy, he'll get it.
I'm not saying Griffin didn't make mistakes, he did.
But, I don't agree that Davis was 'wide open'.
I don't have the all 22 and from watching regular TV feed you can't see what Griffin saw before he threw the ball.
You only see how the defenses looks after the ball is halfway to Moss, by which time the defenders are gonna stop covering their previous assignments and follow the ball in flight.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:47 PM   #217
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Once Lichtensteiger and Chester return the offensive line will be back to normal. Against a heavy strong defensive front like the Chicago Bears have, I would expect rookie linemen to struggle. Maurice Hurt played a decent game but right tackle is a concern.
I don't have that same expectation.
Imo Chester isn't that good to begin with.
And I have to wonder whether two guys coming off injury (one old guy) are going to be better then the guys that have been practicing and playing in games together.

Imo Kory and Chris Chester have to play and look good against the Colts and get a little run against the Bucs to start against the Saints.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:09 PM   #218
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I'm not saying Griffin didn't make mistakes, he did.
But, I don't agree that Davis was 'wide open'.
I don't have the all 22 and from watching regular TV feed you can't see what Griffin saw before he threw the ball.
You only see how the defenses looks after the ball is halfway to Moss, by which time the defenders are gonna stop covering their previous assignments and follow the ball in flight.
I don't have all 22 either...yet.
You're 100% right, you can't see coverage downfield on that one and I couldn't see enough to even make an educated guess....but I sure saw a bunch of bodies there.
Possible he and the WR miscommunicated, he may have saw something in coverage that the WR missed or vice versa. But the TE progression was there, he just needed to be 1/2 sec more patient and trust his TE & OL.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:12 PM   #219
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Kory Lichtensteiger isn't expected to play until the season opener in New Orleans. You are probably right in your assessment of Chester. I thought he amounted to something simply because he was a free agent that Shanahan pursued that started a lot of games for us last season. Hopefully, all Gettis and LeRibeus needs is more and more practice time.
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Chester might not be all that, but I'd a lot feel better with him out there over Gettis at this point.
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I'm happy rg3 struggled. Lets see how he reacts. Fumble wasn't all his fault, RB didn't block the blitzer.

Cousins played against backups lolll.
And Fred Davis got trucked, which caused RGIII to step into the guy the RB missed. Not always on the O-line. The RBs seem to be having trouble picking up the blitz.
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Tied Gould's own Bears franchise record of 57 yards, by the way.

Thing barely had the height of the crossbar the whole 57 yards.

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Old 08-20-2012, 08:31 PM   #223
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I'm not saying Griffin didn't make mistakes, he did.
But, I don't agree that Davis was 'wide open'.
I don't have the all 22 and from watching regular TV feed you can't see what Griffin saw before he threw the ball.
You only see how the defenses looks after the ball is halfway to Moss, by which time the defenders are gonna stop covering their previous assignments and follow the ball in flight.
Actually the broadcast angle shows Davis wide open the whole time, and looking back again he had lots of space to run. It definitely would have been the first down and possibly gone for another 10 yards.

RGIII will learn from this one when he sees the video, but I think you could make the case he was already rattled at this point based on the poor protection.

Toward that point, anyone paying attention saw the Bills defense went vanilla. The Bears played at full speed and absolutely destroyed our line. The right side specifically is just garbage. Polumbus cannot pass protect, period, and Montgomery is struggling badly to run block or pass protect.
Short of a Festivus Miracle the line is going to be a huge liability this season, and I think that should appropriately raise a lot of questions. In it's third year the regime has regressed the oline and its best downfield weapons are the same ones it inherited, Davis and Moss.

Also the more video I watch the slower Garcon looks.
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Good discussion here pertaining to the oLine. 30 I liens reading your break downs as well. You and I had a discussion after the bills game pertaining to the use of the 4th rounder on non oline.

We need some help in that area. I am still holding out some hope that after the cuts coming in the next few weeks we will be able to add a guy here or there with some quality.
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Vick down. Not good for eagles. Who is their 3rd string? I know Kafka's dinged too......
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