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Old 09-19-2012, 02:12 AM   #211
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You know whose probably the happiest though that Josh Morgan got a penalty on us?


Billy Cundiff.

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Because he would have kicked a 47 yarder and if he had missed it, it would have been all the skins fans blaming him for the loss, and saying "Why did we sign a guy who has already missed a potential super bowl kick before?!?"
There wouldn't have been a field goal though. Had Morgan turned inside and headed upfield the 1st down was right there. I think Morgan realized it too after he drifted backwards losing yardage and that was his real frustration, rather than whats his face.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:24 AM   #212
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There wouldn't have been a field goal though. Had Morgan turned inside and headed upfield the 1st down was right there. I think Morgan realized it too after he drifted backwards losing yardage and that was his real frustration, rather than whats his face.



I'm just saying keep the play the same just don't throw the ball at Finnegan, not the "Oh don't throw to Josh Morgan" or "If he had turned up field then it wouldve been a first", btw he went that way because he wanted to get out of bounds, if he turns up field he gets tackled in bounds and clock keeps ticking
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:41 AM   #213
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I'm just saying keep the play the same just don't throw the ball at Finnegan, not the "Oh don't throw to Josh Morgan" or "If he had turned up field then it wouldve been a first", btw he went that way because he wanted to get out of bounds, if he turns up field he gets tackled in bounds and clock keeps ticking
There was over a minute on the clock and he was less than three yards from the first down, after which RGIII would spike it or call a play they had ready. Stopping the clock is meaningless if you don't get the first down. And...there was absolutely no way he was getting to the sideline. 0% chance. Almost a certainty he would have made the 1st down though.

It's funny that sportswriters near and far have pointed this out but the board is almost totally focused on getting out of bounds, or the kick, or whatever else lol.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:25 AM   #214
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Again, speed isn't real important when you're talking about the big, dominant pass-catchers who rip the pigskin out of the air and rumble on for yardage. Think Megatron, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitz for WRs, though all have wheels too and especially the younger guys. Graham, Gronk and Hernandez for TEs.

And you have guys with extraordinary ability to create space and make plays. Rice is the paradigm. Roddy White and Julio Jones are there. A younger Steve Smith (Carolina) definitely fits that mold. Tana was in his younger days too, and while he still is our best WR at getting open he doesn't get the YAC anymore.

What's frustrating to me about our WR corp is we don't have that guy who is dominant on either end of the spectrum so to speak. No real burner, and no big target. It's a disappointment in the regime really. The great organizations find these guys, and quite honestly do so pretty often. Think the Patriots, Steelers, Saints and now the Falcons (2012 NFC Champ?). I know there's still a lot of hype and hope for Garcon but he's a poor man's Boldin at best. Garcon never broke 1000 with arguably the greatest QB in history throwing to him. Boldin went for 1300+ yards in his first or second season.

You can go down the list of guys but the bottom line is we still don't have that big time down-field threat, and at least a few have been available to draft or sign, but we seem to prioritize roster positions at less than ideal times.

On the other hand, the Giants have won two SBs now with very good WRs who don't quite fit the bill as really dominant WRs. But...NY does have a sick (dominant) defensive front seven, along with an elite QB (hate admitting that btw).

I just look at the current regime and don't see winners (present and future tenses), and I think it's more evident now than ever. I agree with Tripp that the defense is likely to be closer to the bottom of the league again this year. Basically, the regime gave us RGIII. He's amazing. The best we've had in decades. But you need more than a superstar QB to be a real contender (otherwise P Manning would have multiple rings, right?), and outside QB I really, honestly, don't think Mike and co have made this team any better than the one they inherited. Younger? Sure. Better? Hmmm c'mon now. The defense is...different...but certainly not better and statistically it's worse. The offense would be pitiful w/o RGIII.

In a sentence, I think RGIII's talent and time are probably wasted under Shanahan and co. Already looking ahead to the next regime and hoping it builds a real contender. Danny boy matured as an owner over the last few years. Here's to continued maturity and the next great GM/coach on the horizon.

So we are going to ignore the fact that Garcon had Wayne, Harrison, and Clark to share passes with, and to say that Garcon is a poor man's Boldin is a terrible comparison because they play nothing alike, Garcon does not have Boldin's strength, and as much as you do not want to aknowledge it, Garcon is a burner and has speed that Boldin does not.
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I say we just draft WR's every round till we find someone that is "megatron" worthy or someone that GOAT approves of.
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Again, speed isn't real important when you're talking about the big, dominant pass-catchers who rip the pigskin out of the air and rumble on for yardage. Think Megatron, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitz for WRs, though all have wheels too and especially the younger guys. Graham, Gronk and Hernandez for TEs.

And you have guys with extraordinary ability to create space and make plays. Rice is the paradigm. Roddy White and Julio Jones are there. A younger Steve Smith (Carolina) definitely fits that mold. Tana was in his younger days too, and while he still is our best WR at getting open he doesn't get the YAC anymore.

What's frustrating to me about our WR corp is we don't have that guy who is dominant on either end of the spectrum so to speak. No real burner, and no big target. It's a disappointment in the regime really. The great organizations find these guys, and quite honestly do so pretty often. Think the Patriots, Steelers, Saints and now the Falcons (2012 NFC Champ?). I know there's still a lot of hype and hope for Garcon but he's a poor man's Boldin at best. Garcon never broke 1000 with arguably the greatest QB in history throwing to him. Boldin went for 1300+ yards in his first or second season.

You can go down the list of guys but the bottom line is we still don't have that big time down-field threat, and at least a few have been available to draft or sign, but we seem to prioritize roster positions at less than ideal times.

On the other hand, the Giants have won two SBs now with very good WRs who don't quite fit the bill as really dominant WRs. But...NY does have a sick (dominant) defensive front seven, along with an elite QB (hate admitting that btw).

I just look at the current regime and don't see winners (present and future tenses), and I think it's more evident now than ever. I agree with Tripp that the defense is likely to be closer to the bottom of the league again this year. Basically, the regime gave us RGIII. He's amazing. The best we've had in decades. But you need more than a superstar QB to be a real contender (otherwise P Manning would have multiple rings, right?), and outside QB I really, honestly, don't think Mike and co have made this team any better than the one they inherited. Younger? Sure. Better? Hmmm c'mon now. The defense is...different...but certainly not better and statistically it's worse. The offense would be pitiful w/o RGIII.

In a sentence, I think RGIII's talent and time are probably wasted under Shanahan and co. Already looking ahead to the next regime and hoping it builds a real contender. Danny boy matured as an owner over the last few years. Here's to continued maturity and the next great GM/coach on the horizon.
Goat are you serious? Are you writing off the team already? Lotta things change throughout the season. To criticize the building of the team is premature. I agree there has been wrong, bad decisions by the Shanny regime, but no organization is perfect, havent seen one yet. The "plugging" of holes in the certain areas of the team should last longer than the past.

In regards to the WRs, you gotta give guys more than 2 games together before you draw conclusions. Garcon, Morgan and Hankerson in 2 games have already adequately produced and if your not seeing the development of Robinson your quite frankly havent been paying attention. Moss is the savy veteran of the crew. I think that crew of receivers are a nice combo of size, catching ability and speed. You know its really hard to find Jerry Rice and Randy Moss, let alone Steve Smiths, Hakeem Nicks, and Roddy Whites.
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You know whose probably the happiest though that Josh Morgan got a penalty on us?


Billy Cundiff.

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Because he would have kicked a 47 yarder and if he had missed it, it would have been all the skins fans blaming him for the loss, and saying "Why did we sign a guy who has already missed a potential super bowl kick before?!?"
Cundiff did hit A 46 yarder last week. With a min on the clock tho and rg3 we would have gone for it. Also goat is rite. Morgan made two mistakes on that play. The dumb penalty and not turning upfield for the first after the catch! Total lack of understanding the situation on every level.
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And can we stop any talk of wide receivers or offense at all. We havent had one quiet snap and we are tearing it up on o. I dont care who is scoring or how fast they are? Lol. They are scoring!
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Im going to the home opener and cannot wait to see what griffin and the offense can do when they can hear!
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Oh I didn't hear that Shanahan say he would do that.


And yes Ruh, obviously the whole team is mad with the L, but I'm sure that thought may have crossed Billys mind.
Shanahan did say that. However, he went conservative after the penalty as if Grossman was still quarterbacking. In that case, sure, go for an unlikely-to-be-made FG.
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Shanahan did say that. However, he went conservative after the penalty as if Grossman was still quarterbacking. In that case, sure, go for an unlikely-to-be-made FG.
Big diff between 4 and 1 and 4 and 16. Lol. That bein said there is a chance at firstdown not a 62 yarder. More like he went conservative as of sebastian janikowski was our kicker.
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So we are going to ignore the fact that Garcon had Wayne, Harrison, and Clark to share passes with, and to say that Garcon is a poor man's Boldin is a terrible comparison because they play nothing alike, Garcon does not have Boldin's strength, and as much as you do not want to aknowledge it, Garcon is a burner and has speed that Boldin does not.
A younger Boldin was quicker, faster than Garcon. But I still wouldn't call either a pure burner at any point in their respective careers. Boldin is just a much more talented WR.

I think they're a pretty good physical comparison size wise, but you hit the nail on the head Garcon doesn't have the strength.
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A younger Boldin was quicker, faster than Garcon. But I still wouldn't call either a pure burner at any point in their respective careers. Boldin is just a much more talented WR.

I think they're a pretty good physical comparison size wise, but you hit the nail on the head Garcon doesn't have the strength.
In what universe?

Boldin was SLOW at the combine (4.7), part of the reason he slipped into the 2nd round.

I have to agree with EQ, I don't see any real comparison between the two. They both have different skill sets.
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Goat are you serious? Are you writing off the team already? Lotta things change throughout the season. To criticize the building of the team is premature. I agree there has been wrong, bad decisions by the Shanny regime, but no organization is perfect, havent seen one yet. The "plugging" of holes in the certain areas of the team should last longer than the past.

In regards to the WRs, you gotta give guys more than 2 games together before you draw conclusions. Garcon, Morgan and Hankerson in 2 games have already adequately produced and if your not seeing the development of Robinson your quite frankly havent been paying attention. Moss is the savy veteran of the crew. I think that crew of receivers are a nice combo of size, catching ability and speed. You know its really hard to find Jerry Rice and Randy Moss, let alone Steve Smiths, Hakeem Nicks, and Roddy Whites.
I too think our WR corp is nice

Admittedly I was very skeptical of Shanny and co from the beginning. Always thought Mike was the "luckiest" coach to ever win multiple rings. He had the best defense/defensive coordinator in Wade Phillips, a HOF QB he inherited. Mike undoubtedly gets credit for Terrel Davis and the run game. But overall, I don't see Mike ever being a contender again short of inheriting another SB caliber team. Maybe I'm wrong and that'd be nice.
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