Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


How bad is our secondary?

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-24-2012, 10:35 AM   #91
Playmaker
 
Paintrain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Age: 43
Posts: 4,878
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruhskins View Post
You mean the Carlos ROGERS that left for San Francisco for pretty much the same amount of money that we offered him?
Yeah, can we stop bemoaning the loss of poor Carlos Rogers? He was given a few opportunities to stay and let's not forget he was benched for poor play and poor attitude 3 times while he was here. What's next, people saying 'well Champ Bailey is still playing at a high level and we just gave him away!'?

Our secondary is probably below average talent wise but our scheme and playcalling seemingly are built towards highlighting their weaknesses rather than called to their strengths. We don't have strong lock down man corners, so why do we zero blitz so much? We don't have particularly big or athletic safeties so why do we lock them up on slot WR so much?

I'm fine with an aggressive 3-4 but we have to be smart-aggressive. We can send 6 rather than 8. We can play coverage and try to get off the field on 3rd and 7 rather than bring the house, give up a 4 yard dump off, miss a tackle and give up a first down. We can blitz our MLB but drop someone else off the line into coverage to try to cover up a vacant area.

John Keim from the Examiner consistently says two things about our team and coaching staff.. 1) They call plays and run schemes for who they want us to be rather than for who we are. Meaning we don't have the players to be effective with the plays called. 2) Many coaches he has spoken to have indicated that the coverage schemes behind our blitzes are unsound-which leads to plays like what happened vs. Dallas last year, the Wilson play yesterday and the Hawkins long TD. If you are going to send the house you have to either get a jam on the WR or play enough of a shell that whatever happens in front of you can be quickly rallied to.

The other beef I have is specific to Dejon Gomes.. Is he healthy? On the Green TD he seemed to be limping and on every blitz he looked like he was going 3/4 speed rather than all out. I know we are banged up and short at that position but I'd rather see Doughty on that blitz than a jogging Gomes.
__________________
FREE RG3!
Paintrain is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 09-24-2012, 10:36 AM   #92
MVP
 
Chico23231's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 37
Posts: 10,579
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruhskins View Post
He left of his own accord and no one knew he'd play that way in SF. Sh*t like this happens and people need to get over it. I'm sure people here would have been pissed if BA gave Rogers top CB money (which he wanted) after the pedestrian season he had here.
BA would not have given Rogers top money, but he should at least attempted to lock him up to something decent. From the way everything went down, we let him walk. Rogers was not a bad or average corner here, he got the bad press for dropping balls he should have caught, which is true. But he played good man to man and was an above average to good coverage CB. He complimented the risk taking, big play corner on the other side well.
__________________
@RSherman_25 just make sure you stay in Seattle cause without that pass rush you are who we thought you were. 5th rd PK no speed good hands

DeAngelo Hall (@DeAngeloHall23) March 14, 2014
Chico23231 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 10:50 AM   #93
Playmaker
 
punch it in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: toms river, nj
Age: 42
Posts: 4,866
Quote:
Originally Posted by firstdown View Post
Well everyone bitched about Rodgers missing those ints and my comment was "he is breaking up the play". Well we ran him out of town.
Didnt he want out of town though?
__________________
"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi
punch it in is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 10:51 AM   #94
Living Legend
 
Ruhskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,654
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chico23231 View Post
BA would not have given Rogers top money, but he should at least attempted to lock him up to something decent. From the way everything went down, we let him walk. Rogers was not a bad or average corner here, he got the bad press for dropping balls he should have caught, which is true. But he played good man to man and was an above average to good coverage CB. He complimented the risk taking, big play corner on the other side well.
I think those are fair points and I think the Redskins probably were more than willing to part with him. However, it is not like San Fran gave him more money than what we offered him, and I think that's the part that people don't understand.
__________________
R.I.P. #21

New words created on The Warpath:
Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory
Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota
Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual
Stroried

"Give an opinion and move on. Your life doesn't depend on winning the internet." -FRPLG
Ruhskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:04 AM   #95
MVP
 
NC_Skins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 10,111
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chico23231 View Post
yep, the same guy who got pissed when Danny Boy and Vinny gave D Hall a 50 million dollar contract after several games who is now a pro bowler and an integral part of the top defense in the league. Same guy we low balled.
We didn't low ball him. You apparently haven't listened to a single thing Smoot has said. Otherwise, you wouldn't be saying this crap.
__________________
"So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty
NC_Skins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:12 AM   #96
Playmaker
 
punch it in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: toms river, nj
Age: 42
Posts: 4,866
Quote:
Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689 View Post
We will have to wait until the off-season for this to change obviously but an idea of Where to start Could be sign aqib talib and draft tyrann mathieu to be our ss if he declares which I suspect he will.
Yes yes please my god and yes. I know longer care about what the hell issues they have(for the most part). Id rather problematic pro bowler than an angelic bum after what i witnessed yesterday. Get them here and keep them out of trouble at least there is hope of a good dback there. Our guys now have zero hope i believe even with haslett gone. Give me talent i can mold and educate and try and teach to be a model citizen because you cant teach the talent part.
__________________
"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi
punch it in is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:14 AM   #97
MVP
 
Chico23231's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 37
Posts: 10,579
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by NC_Skins View Post
We didn't low ball him. You apparently haven't listened to a single thing Smoot has said. Otherwise, you wouldn't be saying this crap.
if the FO wanted Carlos to be here, he would still be here. So we let a probowler walk, its no big deal.
__________________
@RSherman_25 just make sure you stay in Seattle cause without that pass rush you are who we thought you were. 5th rd PK no speed good hands

DeAngelo Hall (@DeAngeloHall23) March 14, 2014
Chico23231 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:16 AM   #98
Playmaker
 
punch it in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: toms river, nj
Age: 42
Posts: 4,866
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chico23231 View Post
if the FO wanted Carlos to be here, he would still be here. So we let a probowler walk, its no big deal.
To an extent but carlos DID NOT want to be here. We may have been slightly stubborn in our discussions with him but it was a two way street to say the least.
__________________
"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi
punch it in is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:21 AM   #99
Living Legend
 
Ruhskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,654
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chico23231 View Post
if the FO wanted Carlos to be here, he would still be here. So we let a probowler walk, its no big deal.
Carlos became a pro bowler after he left the team. He was a good corner when he was here with us and had a pedestrian season during his contract year. Your argument would only be correct if:

A. Rogers had play at a Pro Bowl level the last season he was with the Skins (which he didn't)

B. Rogers had left for SF for more money (which he didn't)

C. Rogers had wanted to stay here with the Redskins (which he didn't either)
__________________
R.I.P. #21

New words created on The Warpath:
Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory
Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota
Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual
Stroried

"Give an opinion and move on. Your life doesn't depend on winning the internet." -FRPLG
Ruhskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:26 AM   #100
MVP
 
Chico23231's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 37
Posts: 10,579
Re: How bad is our secondary?

D. We could have offered Carlos a solid deal to extend him at ANY time.

E. Why did we chose to give D Hall 50+ million dollars?

the last question is relevant because it shows choices made by the FO and is directly related to the state of the secondary today.
__________________
@RSherman_25 just make sure you stay in Seattle cause without that pass rush you are who we thought you were. 5th rd PK no speed good hands

DeAngelo Hall (@DeAngeloHall23) March 14, 2014
Chico23231 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:26 AM   #101
Playmaker
 
punch it in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: toms river, nj
Age: 42
Posts: 4,866
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruhskins View Post
Carlos became a pro bowler after he left the team. He was a good corner when he was here with us and had a pedestrian season during his contract year. Your argument would only be correct if:

A. Rogers had play at a Pro Bowl level the last season he was with the Skins (which he didn't)

B. Rogers had left for SF for more money (which he didn't)

C. Rogers had wanted to stay here with the Redskins (which he didn't either)
And on that note can this discussion about how we ruined our d when we "let him go" be over
__________________
"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi
punch it in is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:31 AM   #102
Living Legend
 
Ruhskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,654
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chico23231 View Post
D. We could have offered Carlos a solid deal to extend him at ANY time.

E. Why did we chose to give D Hall 50+ million dollars?

the last question is relevant because it shows choices made by the FO and is directly related to the state of the secondary today.
Vinny Cerrato gave Hall 50 mil, not BA. I hate when people bring this up, this has nothing to do with Rogers.

Rogers had the opportunity to impress a new regime by playing lights out in the final year of his contract, but he didn't.

For many years, the Redskins fan b*tched and moaned at Cerrato's front office for giving money to players who didn't produce. Rogers had an extremely pedestrian season his final year with the Redskins that was not warranted the money he was asking.

Unless you tell me that Bruce Allen had seen the future during Rogers' pedestrian final year, there is no way that this argument is valid. OF COURSE you can complain now because this a$$hole had a good season with the Niners, but don't BS me into saying that it would have been a good signing then to give Rogers all that money.
__________________
R.I.P. #21

New words created on The Warpath:
Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory
Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota
Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual
Stroried

"Give an opinion and move on. Your life doesn't depend on winning the internet." -FRPLG
Ruhskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:33 AM   #103
MVP
 
NC_Skins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 10,111
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chico23231 View Post
if the FO wanted Carlos to be here, he would still be here. So we let a probowler walk, its no big deal.
He wasn't a pro-bowler. Can you show me where he made the pro-bowl during his time with the Redskins?


I can show you ONE time that Carlos made the pro-bowl during a 1 year contract deal. Guess who else made the pro-bowl during contract years? Albert Haynesworth.


Again, you haven't listened to a damned thing Smoot has said regarding this. I guess sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalalalala works better for you.
__________________
"So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty
NC_Skins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:40 AM   #104
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,481
Re: How bad is our secondary?

You don't have to listen to what I said, just your own judgement.
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2012, 11:48 AM   #105
Contains football related knowledge
 
JoeRedskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Second Star On The Right
Age: 51
Posts: 8,395
Re: How bad is our secondary?

Last year, a contract year, Rogers tore it up. I honestly don't know if he is doing the same again this year.

He didn't want to be here. He thought he deserved a long term big money deal that NO ONE offered him and settled for a one-year deal in SF. Had he played for us in the final year of his deal the way he played for SF in his one-year deal with them, he might still be here.

but, he didn't, he's not. Moving on.
__________________
"We're very sorry, but we're too permissive to allow your sort".
JoeRedskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.30965 seconds with 10 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25