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Old 09-24-2012, 11:52 AM   #106
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You don't have to listen to what I said, just your own judgement.
he was understandably jilted. He may have not wanted to return, but we never went out of our way to bring him back. Situation imo was severly mishandled first my Vinny, which mishandled a list of FO decisions. In the end we chose D Hall. But Carlos shut everybody after his play last year. It was a mistake in the end. Los may have been an a$$hole, id still take his play on the field.
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:17 PM   #107
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he was understandably jilted. He may have not wanted to return, but we never went out of our way to bring him back. Situation imo was severly mishandled first my Vinny, which mishandled a list of FO decisions. In the end we chose D Hall. But Carlos shut everybody after his play last year. It was a mistake in the end. Los may have been an a$$hole, id still take his play on the field.
B/c to do so would have cost much more than he had demonstrated being worth. Everyone snubbed him, EVERYONE. Essentially, he was looking to be the next Nate Clements. He was a solid cover corner who I (personally) would have liked to have kept. He wanted shut down corner money. He wasn't getting that from us or anyone else.

As to last year - tell me when did he once play with that ability here? Had he done so, he may still be here. (Does he have any picks yet this year? Or is he reverting back to old school Carlos now that he has a long term deal?)

At this point, it's pretty clear you've made up your mind and refuse to be dissuaded by facts.
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:39 PM   #108
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B/c to do so would have cost much more than he had demonstrated being worth. Everyone snubbed him, EVERYONE. Essentially, he was looking to be the next Nate Clements. He was a solid cover corner who I (personally) would have liked to have kept. He wanted shut down corner money. He wasn't getting that from us or anyone else.

As to last year - tell me when did he once play with that ability here? Had he done so, he may still be here. (Does he have any picks yet this year? Or is he reverting back to old school Carlos now that he has a long term deal?)

At this point, it's pretty clear you've made up your mind and refuse to be dissuaded by facts.
Joe, I believe he may have been the top rated corner coverage-wise last year. He had never played like that before, BUT in his last year here he was extremely effective in coverage. He only played in 12 games in 2010, but was within the top 15 cover corners in the league. Carlos was at minimum a serviceable, above average CB who had the potential to be better if he coulda just squeezed the damn ball. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/pla...&hl=en&ct=clnk

2009 wasnt a very good year for him in Blanche's last year here.

The thing that pisses me off is we draft someone and develop him and let him go. Now we sit around and bitch about our CB secondary and say we should spend money here and there, when we had someone who did at the minimum a decent job. Im not looking to be dissuaded
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:41 PM   #109
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Re: How bad is our secondary?

Here is a look at some DBs we might want to draft this coming draft

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Old 09-28-2012, 12:43 PM   #110
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Am I late to the party or can we rehash the proverbial MeAngelo vs. Los argument?
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:52 PM   #111
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As a canes fan im curious about what will happen with ray ray armstrong. Got kicked off the team but the kid can flat out play. Maybe he will do some growing up by draft time and could be a steal in the later rounds.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:02 PM   #112
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Re: How bad is our secondary?

Let's admit two things about Carlos Rogers, and then move on forever.

(1) Carlos was better than we thought, we definitely miss him & all would want him back. I'd wager if we had a poll on this board on who would take him back right now (if he actually wanted to be back here), most everyone would say yes.

(2) It was a good decision at the time to let him walk, since he underperformed here and was unhappy. It was our decision along with his, since it is likely we could have offered him a contract he would have accepted if it was lucrative enough -- but we didn't think he was worth it at the time. Good decisions still have risks and hindsight doesn't make the decision a bad one.


The other thing is, we had a losing team, losing culture, bad locker room guys, and a dysfunctional front office. Players didn't mind leaving. I'd wager that more players would want to be part of our team now because RG3 is here, and if a Redskins player like Rogers was offered the same contract on another team now -- they'd be more likely to stick it out here because there's a lot of potential & a better locker room than before.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:15 PM   #113
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Why to people always bring up Halls 50 million dollar contract, he wasn't given that by Bruce.

This crap pisses me off, and the Carlos Rogers subject he wanted a Hall type contract and we couldn't give that to a guy who under achieved here.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:38 PM   #114
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Why to people always bring up Halls 50 million dollar contract, he wasn't given that by Bruce.

This crap pisses me off, and the Carlos Rogers subject he wanted a Hall type contract and we couldn't give that to a guy who under achieved here.
The assumption is that he can be cut, but that's also without understanding the massive cap hit that would happen because of his guaranteed money. Kinda like cutting Jamal Brown, but way worse.
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The assumption is that he can be cut, but that's also without understanding the massive cap hit that would happen because of his guaranteed money. Kinda like cutting Jamal Brown, but way worse.
True I guess he could be cut, but who is a better option. We always hear he can't cover, tackle and takes too many risks trying for ints. I will agree with two of those he is horrible in coverage and takes too many risks for ints, but his tackling has gotten better. I also believe I have seen his on kick coverage.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:45 PM   #116
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True I guess he could be cut, but who is a better option. We always hear he can't cover, tackle and takes too many risks trying for ints. I will agree with two of those he is horrible in coverage and takes too many risks for ints, but his tackling has gotten better. I also believe I have seen his on kick coverage.
I was saying why he CAN'T be cut.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:23 PM   #117
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Looks like Hall was playing quite a while with a messed up pinky.

DeAngelo Hall has finger surgery
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Darelle revis is now in the block!!
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:39 AM   #119
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Re: How bad is our secondary?

The Redskins secondary wasn't that bad last year considering how they played down the stretch run. In comparison to how they played earlier in the year, the defensive backs improved tremendously. The secondary coach stopped having the cornerbacks play trail technique so frequently, probably ordered by Coach Haz, and they played more man to man coverage and less soft zone coverage. Help is still needed in the secondary, most notably the two safeties.....

In the upcoming draft, the Redskins will probably select a safety and CB with their first two picks.... Need to Know: Kiper has Redskins going safety - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins
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The assumption is that he can be cut, but that's also without understanding the massive cap hit that would happen because of his guaranteed money. Kinda like cutting Jamal Brown, but way worse.
DHall can be cut at anytime with very little, if any, dead cap space. Hall has no guaranteed money left (Or very little, I have heard estimates of literally around 300k at most). What you have to understand about Hall is that his guaranteed money is part of what our 36 mil cap penalty is about. We used a little known clause that allowed us to bring guaranteed money that is normally prorated over the life of the contract to be due in one year. Under normal circumstances, it counts against a cap. Since this clause was enacted in Halls and Haynesworths contracts during the uncapped year, the NFL hit us with a 36 mil penalty over two years (The amount of guaranteed money from both contracts that we dumped into the uncapped year was 36 mil).

Halls guaranteed money has already been paid to Hall during the uncapped year, and counts against the cap in the form of the 36 mil cap penalty. There is no double dipping of cutting Hall and having the guaranteed money count twice against the cap (dead cap space as well as the cap penalty).
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