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View Poll Results: Do you approve of the Santana Moss for L. Coles deal?
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:00 PM   #76
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

Picks are overrated, you're getting an unknown commodity in what's not regarded as an overly strong draft class, while with Moss you know exactly what you're getting, and dumping serious baggage at the same time.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:00 PM   #77
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Re: I Dont Like It

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Moss hasnt been given a chance to play anywhere near his potential. He didnt play much at all his first two years. They finally used him in 2003, he had huge numbers, and they still wernt maximizing his potential. This was supposed to be a huge year for him but Pennington never got him the ball. Remeber teh jets in the first like 8 games, they had no good fantasy receivers becuase they would have like 8 guys catch two balls a game. The deep bomb to moss in teh playoffs is the type of stuff moss is good at, his blazing freaking fast.

I think getting a guy like Moss makes losing coles of little consequence. You know what risk you are taking. You arent hoping to get someone in the draft that you have to groom. And it sure as hell is better than just cutting him.
Defiently agree with that assesment of Moss SC, Pennington couldn't get the ball to anyone this past year because of his rotatorcuff injury, I knew the Jet's would step up I am surprised that they are offering Moss, I would think they would want both but I will take Moss no prob., plus I believe he will be much more durable playing the majority of his games on grass, I also feel he is a better grass player anyway.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:03 PM   #78
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

I would hope we try to throw Morton in with this deal and pry away a 3rd rd pick from the jet's as well, that would make this deal a no brainer.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:05 PM   #79
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

I still think we target a #1 reciever in the upcoming draft, if that happen's we will be fine, now if we could only get this kind of interest in Gardner we would be set come draft day.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:15 PM   #80
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

This trade might not be straight up. Mabye for a change a team came to us and offered extra compensation to make a deal. Mabye we'll get a second and moss out of this.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:26 PM   #81
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This trade might not be straight up. Mabye for a change a team came to us and offered extra compensation to make a deal. Mabye we'll get a second and moss out of this.
now that would be a great trade, but highly unlikely...
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:49 PM   #82
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

I don't so much like this trade. I don't think Moss is a legitimate #1.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:54 PM   #83
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

The latest WP article that Matt just posted suggests that other teams are likely to increase thier offers before anything is finalized. There seems to be a lot of interest in Coles so the skins better make sure they are taking the best offer available before they jump into this Jets deal. If teams like Baltimore are offering #1 picks, maybe the Jets do need to include a pick with moss to make this deal fair.
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:16 PM   #84
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

Hopefully there will be a lot of competition for him, that only helps us.

We will find otu a lot more over the weekend.
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:22 PM   #85
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We cannot eat the entire cap hit of Coles. I'd rather straight out release him; than get Moss, have to pay the rest of Coles garbage, and then resign Moss on top of that. Now, if we can get a way so that the cap hit is down in the 3-4mil range, pull the trigger on this deal ASAP. Otherwise; I'd be happier either just keeping Coles, or just letting him walk. To me, the Cap hit is the main player in this. And if we are getting screwed over there, I say forget it.
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Old 02-25-2005, 08:17 PM   #86
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I honestly think this is happening because danny wanted moss to begin with (but marty had control and took rod instead), and chad P wants LC back (cause he hasn't played so hot without him)... the problem i have with moss is that he's never started all 16 games... thats beside the fact that he's not nearly as good as LC (nothing like trading your first round pick away for 2nd or 3rd round talent)....

I dont like eating the cap and letting the jets have a top 15-20 WR for cheap for 5 years... 3 years for 7.5$ for LC?? who wouldn't take that... i guess its better to get something out of it, but we traded down talent AND screwed up our cap numbers at the same time. What a mess...

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I doubt this deal will happen, but the acquisition of Moss would facilitate the release (or trade) of Morton also. More cap space for me!
i thought we already found morton's replacement (cheap) at the end of last year... i think we could cut hall as well since we found a replacement for him as well.
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Old 02-25-2005, 09:28 PM   #87
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

I just read somewhere I forgot where but the Ravens said they will sweaten their deal b4 a deal is reached with the Jets. I also read that Samuels just rejected the latest deal the Skins offered him so it is possible that this whole siuation is moot. However if we are able to come to terms with Samuels I believe that the Jets need to sweeten their deal if L C is still unwilling to give back the 5 mil if traded then the Jets need to absorb some if not all of that. The reason I feel this way b/c Coles is a supperior reciever. Lets stop taking the short end of the stick as we did in the Portis-Bailey trade. I feel we should have been the ones to recieve the draft pick there. I do trust in Coach Gibbs that whatever the situation he will give it careful concideration b4 making the final decision and will make lemonade from the lemons he has been dealt.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:05 AM   #88
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I just read somewhere I forgot where but the Ravens said they will sweaten their deal b4 a deal is reached with the Jets. I also read that Samuels just rejected the latest deal the Skins offered him so it is possible that this whole siuation is moot. However if we are able to come to terms with Samuels I believe that the Jets need to sweeten their deal if L C is still unwilling to give back the 5 mil if traded then the Jets need to absorb some if not all of that. The reason I feel this way b/c Coles is a supperior reciever. Lets stop taking the short end of the stick as we did in the Portis-Bailey trade. I feel we should have been the ones to recieve the draft pick there. I do trust in Coach Gibbs that whatever the situation he will give it careful concideration b4 making the final decision and will make lemonade from the lemons he has been dealt.
If I had my choice I would take the draft pick's if they are offered, I like Moss but we can get a #1 and a 2 or 3 I would jump on it. As for Samuel's if he doesn't renegotiate I would cut or trade is underachieving A** that will take care of our cap problem's and open the door for Coles to be traded.
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As for Samuel's if he doesn't renegotiate I would cut or trade is underachieving A** that will take care of our cap problem's and open the door for Coles to be traded.
How has he be underachieving? How many sacks has given up? Please explain
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Old 02-26-2005, 10:08 AM   #90
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Re: Moss for Coles (merged)

The fact is that if we get Moss at least we've received something for LC. If we simply release LC we get nothing at all. The best case scenario would be Moss AND a draft pick. It may not be so wise to count on Moss as a full time return man. He may be healthier if he can avoid some vicious hits on returns. I am frankly concerned about losing Smoot which apparently is a foregone conclusion. He is a leader and hits very hard. Lastly, amen to getting rid of Gardner and his stupidity. Every time he made a first down it was if he'd scored on a 99 yard bomb...good riddens.
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