Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction

NC_Skins · 09-23-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I can see that to a certain extent. Who do you think is the weak link? I only ask because we had a ton of sacks last year with essentially the same group.

I personally think it's scheme to be honest with you. In 16 years of coaching, Haz has never coached a top 10 defense if I'm correct. (correction: he's had 1 year out of the 16 that his defense was in top 10) To be fair to Haslett though, it's been 11 years since he's ran the 3-4 in Pittsburgh. He's mostly ran the 4-3 the past decade. It probably is a huge reason why Haslett wasn't Shanny's first choice as DC. I would like to see our DL get more of a push up the middle though, but I understand those guys don't have the size that Haloti Ngata does, but it would be nice. Now, I definitely think we could upgrade at MLB, and I would rather see another versatile OLB instead of Orakpo to be honest with you.

Pittsburgh had the #2 rated defense in the league the year prior to Jim Haslett taking over. The following year, they dropped to #6, then to #12 in 1998, and finally to #11 his final year in 1999.

Gtothearry · 09-23-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Teams can't wait to play us... 9 route all day!

Agree.....

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-23-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I personally think it's scheme to be honest with you. In 16 years of coaching, Haz has never coached a top 10 defense if I'm correct. (correction: he's had 1 year out of the 16 that his defense was in top 10) To be fair to Haslett though, it's been 11 years since he's ran the 3-4 in Pittsburgh. He's mostly ran the 4-3 the past decade. It probably is a huge reason why Haslett wasn't Shanny's first choice as DC. I would like to see our DL get more of a push up the middle though, but I understand those guys don't have the size that Haloti Ngata does, but it would be nice. Now, I definitely think we could upgrade at MLB, and I would rather see another versatile OLB instead of Orakpo to be honest with you.

Pittsburgh had the #2 rated defense in the league the year prior to Jim Haslett taking over. The following year, they dropped to #6, then to #12 in 1998, and finally to #11 his final year in 1999.

I think I agree. The only reason I have any pause is because I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's getting harder and harder. I mean when GW was here, we had Rogers/Hall/etc. and we'd all talk about Hall getting his ass beaten like a drum. I truly don't feel like that's happening as much this scheme is getting beaten. I mean last week, there were receivers running free. This week, the coverage was good, just bad play calls in my opinion.

diehardskin2982 · 09-23-2012, 08:15 PM

how long until we see a "lights-out" try out? Andre Carter round 2? Bring back Kevin Barnes?

Mechanix544 · 09-23-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

If you recall, this defense was around 30th the year before...weve got serious problems with not much hope on defense unless something significant changes, such as scheme, coaching, or talent...and that is hard to change midseason...but in yr 3, we should be holding teams under 20 pts easy...if we did, wed be undefeated. I feel bad for RG3 and all skins fans

If we held opponents under 30 points we'd be undefeated. Not gonna happen. This is by far the worst secondary in the league, and the worst the Redskins defense have looked, maybe ever.

tryfuhl · 09-23-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

need to find a replacement for jim haslett. guy blows goats, can't gameplan for a pee wee league team.

I bet he misses Spanos more than he would admit. Can't stand coverage woes between player mistakes and improper scheme.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-23-2012, 08:21 PM

Neither Kevin Barnes nor Andre Carter are going to fix this.

Truly, Jackson and Wilson played a damn good game today. We got burned on a gimmick play and then had either a questionable scheme or shitty tackling the other plays.

I like Haslett's aggressiveness on first down, but after he gets a successful play, he wants to keep at it and it's been apparent over the past few years that he should be a little more conservative when the offense has a third and long situation.

Hog1 · 09-23-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Just in case anyone is wondering Alfred Morris is on pace for 1,400 yards this year. Obviously theres ups and downs and players get tired as the season goes on especially rookies who are use to shorter college season but it's still worth noting.

YES....it is! This kid is the real deal. What a find in the 6th......

SFREDSKIN · 09-23-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

DeAneglo Hall is making $6 million right now with a $600k release fee. I say we start there this offseason.

I see people are finally realizing what I said from the beginning when they signed him instead of extending Rogers. Thanks Vinny!

GusFrerotte · 09-23-2012, 08:30 PM

To be honest we just don't have the players to fit the scheme or vice versa. Both Kerrigan and Orakpo were drafted as DEs, not LBs. Both have made the adjustment rather well, but I would love to see both of them as DEs again and acting like a giant pincer to nail opposing QBs. One less linemen puts more pressure on the LBs to be able to plug the gaps for the run or defend short to medium routes on passing. Our best true LB is on the verge of retirement Add to that our secondary is full of no names, plus the loud mouth Hall, and you will get lit up. If Haslett and co wanted to institute the 3-4 the organization should have drafted and acquired players that actually played in the system at the college level. I know the options are limited as very few big college Div1A programs run the 3-4, but that fact should have made Haslett think twice about switching in the first place.

SFREDSKIN · 09-23-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Eff landry.

He had an interception for a TD today, **** him anyways!

GusFrerotte · 09-23-2012, 08:34 PM

Secondary problems will not be fixed for a year or two. You have to draft at least 2 DBs this draft and if we have the money to blow get a younger FA CB or S. Outside of Hall, we have nobody that is really of starting caliber. The only secondary that I have seen in the past couple seasons as bad as ours is the Lion's secondary, which is consists of a bunch of chumps. A switch to the 4-3 would be advised, but I think Haslett will be shown the door if the 2012 campaign is a bummer.

44Deezel · 09-23-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes but even with orakpo and kerrigan our d is sooo much worse than last year. I mean landry never played and atogwe stunk. Why is the d so terrible?

Teams would score 21 points and shut it down knowing it would take a miracle for us to score in the twenties. Probably disguised issues with the Defense.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 09-23-2012, 08:36 PM

Number 1 scoring offense in the NFL = 1-2. Doesn't make sense.

skinsfaninok · 09-23-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Teams would score 21 points and shut it down knowing it would take a miracle for us to score in the twenties. Probably disguised issues with the Defense.

Yes and this year teams know we can score( obviously what are we at 30 ppg?) So now teams just keep airing it out

09-23-2012, 08:15 PM	#169
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,924	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction how long until we see a "lights-out" try out? Andre Carter round 2? Bring back Kevin Barnes? __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

09-23-2012, 08:21 PM	#172
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,118	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction Neither Kevin Barnes nor Andre Carter are going to fix this. Truly, Jackson and Wilson played a damn good game today. We got burned on a gimmick play and then had either a questionable scheme or shitty tackling the other plays. I like Haslett's aggressiveness on first down, but after he gets a successful play, he wants to keep at it and it's been apparent over the past few years that he should be a little more conservative when the offense has a third and long situation. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-23-2012, 08:30 PM	#175
GusFrerotte Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 3,961	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction To be honest we just don't have the players to fit the scheme or vice versa. Both Kerrigan and Orakpo were drafted as DEs, not LBs. Both have made the adjustment rather well, but I would love to see both of them as DEs again and acting like a giant pincer to nail opposing QBs. One less linemen puts more pressure on the LBs to be able to plug the gaps for the run or defend short to medium routes on passing. Our best true LB is on the verge of retirement Add to that our secondary is full of no names, plus the loud mouth Hall, and you will get lit up. If Haslett and co wanted to institute the 3-4 the organization should have drafted and acquired players that actually played in the system at the college level. I know the options are limited as very few big college Div1A programs run the 3-4, but that fact should have made Haslett think twice about switching in the first place.

09-23-2012, 08:34 PM	#177
GusFrerotte Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 3,961	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction Secondary problems will not be fixed for a year or two. You have to draft at least 2 DBs this draft and if we have the money to blow get a younger FA CB or S. Outside of Hall, we have nobody that is really of starting caliber. The only secondary that I have seen in the past couple seasons as bad as ours is the Lion's secondary, which is consists of a bunch of chumps. A switch to the 4-3 would be advised, but I think Haslett will be shown the door if the 2012 campaign is a bummer.

09-23-2012, 08:36 PM	#179
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,005	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction Number 1 scoring offense in the NFL = 1-2. Doesn't make sense. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

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