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Old 09-24-2012, 06:13 AM   #361
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There is a lot to discuss, mostly bad. The good is that RGlll is the real deal, Morris looks like a true bell cow, the defensive front 7 looks pretty impressive, and Cundiff is a solid kicker. Unfortunately, it's a win now league, their not, and it's Shanahan's 3rd year here.

What's most troubling is the team is supposed to carry the rookie quarterback while he acclimates to the NFL, and instead he is carrying the team on his back. 3 years Shanahan has now had to mold a strong base to work with, and this team looks worse than the Cerato-Zorn teams if not for Griffin's phenominal play. Shanahan and his staff have done a lousy job of surrounding their franchise Qb with enough quality talent to protect him and ease him into the league. He's already in the fire, and it looks like it's only going to get hotter.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:31 AM   #362
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In my opinion, Kyle showed true desperation in this game with the triple option. That's an ace you hold up your sleeve for a playoff or big December game to surprise the opponent in a must win situation. Not in the 3rd game of the season with your franchise quarterback. That card has been played now, and we can only guess at what the next Grif gimmick will be. I think Kyle is relying too much on his athletic Qb's ability, as well as putting him at unneccessary risk, to make himself look better. This is not about the future, this is about keeping his job and avoiding criticism.

The book has been written early on Griffin, which is treat him like Vick, meaning take away his outside escape, and pound the crap out of him at every opportunity. Vick is already shell-shocked, and I believe Foles will be running that Philly offense sooner than later.

You can bet the house that Schiano's Buccaneer defense will hit him high and hard every chance they get. Griffin is already showing signs of frustration. Even in high school, we were taught to slam the qb on all option plays. It's a free kill shot. No way RG can take the abuse if this keeps up, and now every team on the schedule is laying in wait.

The offensive line is, as usual, a disaster. Everyone killed Cerato for the mess he made of the 2009 O-line. This line is worse. While the interior linemen are decent at their run blocking, they cannot keep a clean pocket at all in pass pro. The tackles are a mess, and it wasn't great when Trent was in, but now? Griffin constantly has to make something out of nothing. It's time to just call Compton up, and give him the learning experience. He at least has a potential future here. Polumbus and Black will be gone next year if not sooner. They haven't even seen the elite pass rushers yet, and they are getting roasted by no names.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:58 AM   #363
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When we win after showing pistol it's all great, but when we lose after showing the triple option it's doom and gloom.

I'm sure the Redskins have plenty for more tricks up their sleeves and I have no problem with using the triple option yesterday. Games in December won't matter anyway if you can't win in September.

I think the offense we ran in the 2nd half yesterday helped spread the defense out, helped our OL (to an extent) and stretching the field was/is key to the success of this team.

My beef against it is that I kept waiting for it to set up something "conventional" which I'm not sure I totally saw. Well, correction, I think the Hankerson PI is what I was waiting for. And when it failed, they didn't go back to it.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:01 AM   #364
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I'm of ther opinion that Haslett is on the hot seat right now. Meaning he won't last the season with another game or 2 like these last 2. Rumors have already stated that Morris called plays in St. Louis, and their is clear dissension amongst the defensive unit, particularly the secondary. Morris and Haslett cannot coexist for long with this disarray in my opinion.

The Bucs game next week is very winnable on paper. Freeman has been mediocre at best this year, after a very disappointing year last season. They do have Vincent Jackson as a legitimate threat, but he has been substandard thus far. Martin is a decent back, but not very threatening. That's pretty much
it for their offense.

If Freeman and Jackson light this defense up like a centennial fireworks display, I don't see Haslett keeping his job here past that game. Change will have to be made as Shanahan has to feel the fire burning below him by now.

I didn't think Mike could lose his job this year since he has Griffin and a Snyder committment, but I didn't think this was a 5-6 win team either. I honestly believe 7 wins keeps him safe, 5 gets him fired, and 6 might be a push. And at some point late in the season, Dan is going to have a one on one with Robert Griffin. And Mike's job most likely will hang in the balance.

Not for nothing, but a potential new coach was the guy calling plays for Dalton today, Jay Gruden, 45, John's younger brother. Haslett had him as a coach in the UFL and mentored him. Gruden beat Jim like a rented mule, and is clearly going to be a head coach somewhere next season as he is on top of the Hot list. There's also a Bruce Allen connection, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:11 AM   #365
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Its always nice to see the Skins making Monday morning headlines.

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Old 09-24-2012, 07:50 AM   #366
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RGIII needs to adjust his playing style. He is taking too many big hits. Right now he is an injury waiting to happen.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:02 AM   #367
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When we win after showing pistol it's all great, but when we lose after showing the triple option it's doom and gloom.

I'm sure the Redskins have plenty for more tricks up their sleeves and I have no problem with using the triple option yesterday. Games in December won't matter anyway if you can't win in September.

I think the offense we ran in the 2nd half yesterday helped spread the defense out, helped our OL (to an extent) and stretching the field was/is key to the success of this team.

My beef against it is that I kept waiting for it to set up something "conventional" which I'm not sure I totally saw. Well, correction, I think the Hankerson PI is what I was waiting for. And when it failed, they didn't go back to it.
All this trickeration is fine and dandy. But honestly, can we win and be an elite team playing offense like this? NFL QB's either make it or they don't by making plays from the pocket. Kyle has got to tone it down with all the option stuff.
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All this trickeration is fine and dandy. But honestly, can we win and be an elite team playing offense like this? NFL QB's either make it or they don't by making plays from the pocket. Kyle has got to tone it down with all the option stuff.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:11 AM   #369
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When we win after showing pistol it's all great, but when we lose after showing the triple option it's doom and gloom.

I'm sure the Redskins have plenty for more tricks up their sleeves and I have no problem with using the triple option yesterday. Games in December won't matter anyway if you can't win in September.

I think the offense we ran in the 2nd half yesterday helped spread the defense out, helped our OL (to an extent) and stretching the field was/is key to the success of this team.

My beef against it is that I kept waiting for it to set up something "conventional" which I'm not sure I totally saw. Well, correction, I think the Hankerson PI is what I was waiting for. And when it failed, they didn't go back to it.
It's doom and gloom because the team is unnecessarily exposing their future on a gimmick offense that has absolutely no chance for continued success. It's not building towards anything, there's nowhere to go with it. It's worse than play action because it takes too long, it's worse than rolling out because the Qb has to focus on 3 different things while also avoiding the inevitable pounding he will surely receive. Spreading the field is fine, but do it with receivers, formations, and well designed playcalls. Teach the kid something constructive.


There is nothing to setup with it but more option plays and misdirection. The defense could care less about misdirection if they can get a free shot at the Qb. Let em have 10 yards, we'll take out their Qb. It's a 1 time gimmick that only works because no one would expect such foolishness with your star player. Tebow is different, he is expendable plus he is freaking huge to take some punishment. Newton can run the read, but even he gets slammed. He is way bigger than Griffin, and that is already getting old for Carolina.

I can all but guarantee every team in the league will take notice of this, and will be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors. The Buccaneers will be taking head shots if they try that crap next week. Now he is going to get hit even when he doesn't have the freaking ball. Can we expect the Swinging Gate with Griffin next?

They are supposed to be teaching him how to be an NFL quarterback. Yes, they can use his natural abilities, but his safety is paramount. It should be building blocks, one step leading to another. This is a gimmick and a desperation ploy because the offensive line is a joke, and Kyle has no excuses now for ineptitude. They might have drawn it up at halftime on the chalkboard because they had no answers. They clearly didn't practice it sufficiently because it looked so haphazard.

Why do you think Coughlin was so upset about the kneel down? Because he knows he has to keep his Qb healthy. It's coaching 101.
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You go getem Kyle!!! Keep your knees up!! Im sure he wanted to explain the difference between the double option and the triple option.


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I dunno. People calling for Haslett to be replaced (I'm one of them, never liked the guy) is one thing. People asking for him to be replaced by a secondary coach who's unit is the worst in the league (by far) is a completely other thing. Its ridiculous. Morris should NOT be promoted. He shouldn't be demoted either though. If anyone gets a pass, its him, for walking into a completely lackluster situation with our secondary. But his ineffectiveness, even though its not completely his fault, is the reason he should not take the defensive helm, even away from Haslett. I think we need a fresh young coach as our new defensive coordinator, plus, look at it this way, he might be cheaper, and it cannot get any worse than it already is.

Also, I think its time to start SCOURING the waiver wire and player releases to find someone with a smidgen of talent.
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When we win after showing pistol it's all great, but when we lose after showing the triple option it's doom and gloom.

I'm sure the Redskins have plenty for more tricks up their sleeves and I have no problem with using the triple option yesterday. Games in December won't matter anyway if you can't win in September.

I think the offense we ran in the 2nd half yesterday helped spread the defense out, helped our OL (to an extent) and stretching the field was/is key to the success of this team.

My beef against it is that I kept waiting for it to set up something "conventional" which I'm not sure I totally saw. Well, correction, I think the Hankerson PI is what I was waiting for. And when it failed, they didn't go back to it.
I think that's a bit of a generalizing statement. I was upset with our play calling vs. NO because I thought there were too many designed option runs.

You really believe RGIII can continue to run 10+ times per game and take those hits over a full season?
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:30 AM   #373
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Defenses are going to want to tee off on RG3 no matter what. Comparing getting hit on running a play vs. a kneel down seems a bit ridiculous to me.
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You go getem Kyle!!! Keep your knees up!! Im sure he wanted to explain the difference between the double option and the triple option.


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Kyle has earned some major bonus points with me on this...lol
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:53 AM   #375
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Oh please....wtf did he think he was going to accomplish by this rant?
They are replacement refs FFS.
He's embarrasing.
I bet Goodell fines him.
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