Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction

Macho Man Randy Savage · 09-24-2012, 02:30 PM

Dan Orlovski is a comin'! He's going to drop an Orlovski clothesline on Shanahan, this Sunday... Yeeeeah! Score will be 65-3, Tampa Wiiiiiiiiinnnnsss! Ooooooooohhhh Yeeeeeeaaaaaah!!!!

KI Skins Fan · 09-24-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aircoryell

To me, this post reeks of misdirected frustration. This is not a "gimmick" offense as you put it. And there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate your conclusion that it has no chance for "continued success". On the contrary, everything points to exactly the opposite.
What you're suggesting is to put Robert in a pro style offense under center (In Baylor he took ZERO snaps under center) and magically all those hits he's taking will go away. Did you watch the Rex and Beck take a pounding last year?
How you came to the conclusion that Kyle showed "ineptitude" is beyond me since you failed to explain that. In one sentence you call the offensive line a joke, and immediately take a shot at Kyle on the next one for running an offense to minimize it's exposure. :confused:
Kyle, in my opinion, is doing a masterful job helping Robert transition from his Baylor offense into a pro style offense. Letting him have some time under center while still running what he feels comfortable with to keep the points coming on the board.
Kyle has never been, is, or will be the problem. We've scored 30 points the last 3 games and are the 2nd ranked offense in the entire league for gods sake! If you think Kyle is the issue you are completely way off base.

You and some others who post here just don't get it when it comes to exposing RGIII to a pounding in run option offense. So I'm going to try to educate you about the major points that I think jdc65 was trying to make.

Point 1: RGIII is by far the most important player on this team for the future, not necessarily the present, of this franchise.

Point 2: RGIII must be protected as much as possible from a serious, possibly career threatening or career limiting injury because of his extraordinary value to the future of this franchise.

If I were in Dan Snyder's shoes, I would make an exception in the case of RGIII and I would "interfere" with Mike Shanahan's coaching decision to use RGIII in a run-oriented offense. I would tell him to cut it out. There is no way I would let Shanahan risk the future of my franchise in trying to beat the Bengals or any other team this season. Shanahan would simply need to find another way to win or I would fire him. That's how strongly I feel about this issue.

Surely, you must realize that, in defending the run option that a defender is always assigned to tackle the QB. Only the Skins opponents are not just trying to bring down RGIII - they are trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can. It is only a matter of time before RGIII is seriously hurt when running these types of plays. This is not Baylor. It is the NFL, where the big boys play.

REDSKINS4ever · 09-24-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Nicks

Touche.

We're expecting Freeman to finally put it together this week and have a great game through the air. This is the same thing we say after every game.

With Orakpo out, who does your pass rushing? I wonder if Shenanigans will send all 7 DBs at me. I wonder if he'll cry when they still don't get to Josh.

I know I'll cry when Josh throws an incompletion despite all that.

Don't underestimate the Redskins defense. There's a reason that the Redskins are beating themselves defensively. Once the Redskins coaches figure out why this is happening, our defense will play better because until now, this hasn't been happening.

Ryan Kerrigan compliments Orakpo. So does Fletcher or Riley. If you know anything about the 3-4 defense, you would know that the pass rush could come from anywhere.

Macho Man Randy Savage · 09-24-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

If you know anything about the 3-4 defense, you would know that the pass rush could come from anywhere.

If you knew anything about Carl Nicks, you would know he is everywhere! Ooooooh Yeeeah! Go Bucs! Carl Nicks blocks out the sun, yeah!

The Goat · 09-24-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You and some others who post here just don't get it when it comes to exposing RGIII to a pounding in run option offense. So I'm going to try to educate you about the major points that I think jdc65 was trying to make.

Point 1: RGIII is by far the most important player on this team for the future, not necessarily the present, of this franchise.

Point 2: RGIII must be protected as much as possible from a serious, possibly career threatening or career limiting injury because of his extraordinary value to the future of this franchise.

If I were in Dan Snyder's shoes, I would make an exception in the case of RGIII and I would "interfere" with Mike Shanahan's coaching decision to use RGIII in a run-oriented offense. I would tell him to cut it out. There is no way I would let Shanahan risk the future of my franchise in trying to beat the Bengals or any other team this season. Shanahan would simply need to find another way to win or I would fire him. That's how strongly I feel about this issue.

Surely, you must realize that, in defending the run option that a defender is always assigned to tackle the QB. Only the Skins opponents are not just trying to bring down RGIII - they are trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can. It is only a matter of time before RGIII is seriously hurt when running these types of plays. This is not Baylor. It is the NFL, where the big boys play.

Excellent post KI. It's like folks were either too young or just didn't watch football when Vick was a Falcon. No starting caliber NFL QB can take the kind of pounding RG3 has so far. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a slight concussion from yesterday's game.

In three seasons the Shanahans have been patently unable to generate points with a conventional offense. Now they're risking the franchise QB to cover that fact. It's extremely shortsighted, and frankly irresponsible. I don't think Danny's so dumb he'll let it go on.

los panda · 09-24-2012, 02:48 PM

where was aldrick?

punch it in · 09-24-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by los panda

where was aldrick?

I think the receivers are taking turns on gameday as to which of them is really going to hustle and try to get open or make a play.

CRedskinsRule · 09-24-2012, 02:57 PM

I could be completely wrong, but I imagine that the Shanahans are using the current form for several reasons:

1) as SS said, it helps Griffin transition to a pro offense, and still be on the field.

2) it has it's merits when run occasionally simply to keep the defense playing honest against the whole field. Something Shanny Sr has always preached.

3) and this is the jedi mind trick part, Griffin is learning the value of not getting hit. Now maybe I am overthinking, nah, I am definitely overthinking! but hear me out. When Griffin comes into the league, a guy with his speed is probably thinking yeah, it's the NFL, but it's easy. While I like the cockiness, that type of thinking will doom him in the long run. He even had said as much after the first preseason game. Now, with the hits he's taken (and I tend to think some here are overblowing it, cause a qb can take that fatal shot anywhere on the field (ask Joe Thiesmann)) maybe when the coaches say we want to move away from the option, he's thinking I can dig that, and pushes harder to perfecting his "NFL style" qb style.

4) Overall, while there have been a few kill shots, Griffin also seems to do a good to great job of positioning his body in preparation for the shot. So while I am sure he is hurting after a game, I doubt it's that much more than if he sat back and the D's just popped him

CRedskinsRule · 09-24-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by los panda

where was aldrick?

no crud. I thought he and RGIII had something good together. My fantasy teams bore the brunt of that misguided notion

Chico23231 · 09-24-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by los panda

where was aldrick?

getting handled. he was a ghost yesterday, disappointing. Morgan did nothing as well.

punch it in · 09-24-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I could be completely wrong, but I imagine that the Shanahans are using the current form for several reasons:

1) as SS said, it helps Griffin transition to a pro offense, and still be on the field.

2) it has it's merits when run occasionally simply to keep the defense playing honest against the whole field. Something Shanny Sr has always preached.

3) and this is the jedi mind trick part, Griffin is learning the value of not getting hit. Now maybe I am overthinking, nah, I am definitely overthinking! but hear me out. When Griffin comes into the league, a guy with his speed is probably thinking yeah, it's the NFL, but it's easy. While I like the cockiness, that type of thinking will doom him in the long run. He even had said as much after the first preseason game. Now, with the hits he's taken (and I tend to think some here are overblowing it, cause a qb can take that fatal shot anywhere on the field (ask Joe Thiesmann)) maybe when the coaches say we want to move away from the option, he's thinking I can dig that, and pushes harder to perfecting his "NFL style" qb style.

4) Overall, while there have been a few kill shots, Griffin also seems to do a good to great job of positioning his body in preparation for the shot. So while I am sure he is hurting after a game, I doubt it's that much more than if he sat back and the D's just popped him

All but number three. Not because i am not a huuuuge fan of the jedi mind trick. Cus i am. I just dont thick they would have to trick griff into perfecting anything. I think he knows that he had to get away from baylor and into the pros asap.

skinsfaninok · 09-24-2012, 03:12 PM

Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open..

Bucket · 09-24-2012, 03:17 PM

I like our offense atm, and I do think it can be successful because you don't average 31 points and have a near flawless red zone % by not having a good offense.

We control the clock and put up the points.. The Defense isn't doing it's part atm, but I believe that can change. Players can get better and with practice i'm hoping that happens.

punch it in · 09-24-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open..

Cause and effect there. When pg gets back i think we will see big things out of hank. He is on the way.

punch it in · 09-24-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

I like our offense atm, and I do think it can be successful because you don't average 31 points and have a near flawless red zone % by not having a good offense.

We control the clock and put up the points.. The Defense isn't doing it's part atm, but I believe that can change. Players can get better and with practice i'm hoping that happens.

I hope merriweather helps. If he can be anything like his probowl year it would maybe be just enough to win these shootouts were getting in. We only have to be slightly better on defense to win these games. Saw glimpses in the third quarter yesterday that there was still a pulse.

09-24-2012, 02:30 PM	#481
Macho Man Randy Savage Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Tampa Bay, Yeeeeah! Posts: 4	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction Dan Orlovski is a comin'! He's going to drop an Orlovski clothesline on Shanahan, this Sunday... Yeeeeah! Score will be 65-3, Tampa Wiiiiiiiiinnnnsss! Ooooooooohhhh Yeeeeeeaaaaaah!!!!

09-24-2012, 02:48 PM	#486
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,852	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction where was aldrick? __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

09-24-2012, 02:57 PM	#488
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,923	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction I could be completely wrong, but I imagine that the Shanahans are using the current form for several reasons: 1) as SS said, it helps Griffin transition to a pro offense, and still be on the field. 2) it has it's merits when run occasionally simply to keep the defense playing honest against the whole field. Something Shanny Sr has always preached. 3) and this is the jedi mind trick part, Griffin is learning the value of not getting hit. Now maybe I am overthinking, nah, I am definitely overthinking! but hear me out. When Griffin comes into the league, a guy with his speed is probably thinking yeah, it's the NFL, but it's easy. While I like the cockiness, that type of thinking will doom him in the long run. He even had said as much after the first preseason game. Now, with the hits he's taken (and I tend to think some here are overblowing it, cause a qb can take that fatal shot anywhere on the field (ask Joe Thiesmann)) maybe when the coaches say we want to move away from the option, he's thinking I can dig that, and pushes harder to perfecting his "NFL style" qb style. 4) Overall, while there have been a few kill shots, Griffin also seems to do a good to great job of positioning his body in preparation for the shot. So while I am sure he is hurting after a game, I doubt it's that much more than if he sat back and the D's just popped him

09-24-2012, 03:12 PM	#492
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,996	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open.. __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

09-24-2012, 03:17 PM	#493
Bucket The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 2,136	Re: Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction I like our offense atm, and I do think it can be successful because you don't average 31 points and have a near flawless red zone % by not having a good offense. We control the clock and put up the points.. The Defense isn't doing it's part atm, but I believe that can change. Players can get better and with practice i'm hoping that happens. __________________ HTTR Redskin Fan since '88 Be friends on Twitter! @thecasualhero

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