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Old 09-24-2012, 03:17 PM   #481
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I like our offense atm, and I do think it can be successful because you don't average 31 points and have a near flawless red zone % by not having a good offense.

We control the clock and put up the points.. The Defense isn't doing it's part atm, but I believe that can change. Players can get better and with practice i'm hoping that happens.
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Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open..
Cause and effect there. When pg gets back i think we will see big things out of hank. He is on the way.
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I like our offense atm, and I do think it can be successful because you don't average 31 points and have a near flawless red zone % by not having a good offense.

We control the clock and put up the points.. The Defense isn't doing it's part atm, but I believe that can change. Players can get better and with practice i'm hoping that happens.
I hope merriweather helps. If he can be anything like his probowl year it would maybe be just enough to win these shootouts were getting in. We only have to be slightly better on defense to win these games. Saw glimpses in the third quarter yesterday that there was still a pulse.
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I'm of the belief that the Redskins do need to protect RG3 for the long-term. I'm also of the belief that "conventional" offense is not always the way to do that. But most of all, I'm of the belief that if you're not willing to be creative and unconventional with such a play maker of RG3's caliber....then you shouldn't have bothered drafting him.
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:46 PM   #485
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I'm of the belief that the Redskins do need to protect RG3 for the long-term. I'm also of the belief that "conventional" offense is not always the way to do that. But most of all, I'm of the belief that if you're not willing to be creative and unconventional with such a play maker of RG3's caliber....then you shouldn't have bothered drafting him.
I'm all for different types of offense. As long as he isn't taking a consistent beating. Spread 5 wide and let him run around. Run the option too. mix it up and be mindful that option plays and designed runs are putting the QB on a platter.

I think there is a fine line between creativity and stupidity. If RG3 is consistently taking 10+ runs per game and nearly 20 hits per game, I think the playcalling is leaning towards the latter. Even if your goal is short term success, these sorts of plays put your greatest playmaker (as you've said) at risk.

You draft RG3 because of his skill set. But you want him to have the chance to showcase those skills for 16 games.
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You and some others who post here just don't get it when it comes to exposing RGIII to a pounding in run option offense. So I'm going to try to educate you about the major points that I think jdc65 was trying to make.
Yes. Please, I am in need of education. You, and others with a similar need to educate, are clearly one step away from an NFL coaching job so arguments counter to your assumptions must simply be made by the blind and uninformed. Please - share your particular brand of brilliance.

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Point 1: RGIII is by far the most important player on this team for the future, not necessarily the present, of this franchise.

Point 2: RGIII must be protected as much as possible from a serious, possibly career threatening or career limiting injury because of his extraordinary value to the future of this franchise.
You left out Point 3: In it's current state, the Skins O-Line cannot provide consistent protection for a 7 step drop and would be troubled even in a 5 step drop scheme. In a traditional offense, RGIII would be exposed to brutal blind side hits every time he drops back to pass. Given the state of our line, our running game would be ineffective and, as such, play action would have a limited ability to slow down the rush. Without the ability to manufacture points through the option, we would be playing from behind often allowing opposing D's to pin back their ears against our already overmatched line. Even using his athleticism to create time, traditional scrambling would expose him to hits by LB's or DB's w/ a running head start at him and/or hits similar to the ones taken while running the designed option.

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If I were in Dan Snyder's shoes, I would make an exception in the case of RGIII and I would "interfere" with Mike Shanahan's coaching decision to use RGIII in a run-oriented offense. I would tell him to cut it out. There is no way I would let Shanahan risk the future of my franchise in trying to beat the Bengals or any other team this season. Shanahan would simply need to find another way to win or I would fire him. That's how strongly I feel about this issue.
Hi Vinny! Yup, overriding the coach's authority can lead to nothing but long term success for players.

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Surely, you must realize that, in defending the run option that a defender is always assigned to tackle the QB. Only the Skins opponents are not just trying to bring down RGIII - they are trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can. It is only a matter of time before RGIII is seriously hurt when running these types of plays. This is not Baylor. It is the NFL, where the big boys play.
Because during a traditional pass play, w/out the option, the entire DL is not "trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can[.]" Insanity.

The option has one DL assigned hit the QB. True enough - at the same time, the hit generally can be seen coming and RGII has been very good about bracing for such hits. Additionally, the option has been successful in (1) manufacturing points; (2) slowing down the rush in both passing off the option and in the traditional drop backs; and (3) limiting the number of tacklers hitting RGIII on any running play or scramble b/c, just as they must account for RGIII, given his ability to read the entire field, the defenders cannot sell out to converge on him.

I am not a coach, I am Joe schmoe watching an offense that doesn't work like a traditional drop back/play action passing game. At the same time, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the hits RGIII is exposed to are different than the hits he would be exposed to in a traditional offense.

It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to see RGIII is comfortable in the offense and adapting to NFL speed within it. As opposed to being pounded into the dirt time and time again in a drop back offense, and gaining neither confidence or adapting to the violence, RGIII is getting to play the game he is used to, taking hits in a manner he is accustomed to. To many young QB's get gun-shy, start getting happy feet, lose their confidence and have their careers cut-short by being forced playing both an unfamiliar offense on a bad team where they get hit every drop back. Once they start hearing feet, most never recover. Ever.

To poor uneducated me, the offensive design makes the best use of our currently configured O-line and creates an opportunity for RGIII to succeed now and in the future. You don't. I completely understand your points just as I have completely understood others with similar positions ... no need to educate me further. I understand the risks created by this offense and disagree that, without entirely writing off this season, they are greater than those incurred by inserting RGIII into a traditional NFL offense.
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:51 PM   #487
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Points are empty? Please enlighten me!
Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:18 PM   #488
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Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open..
Tana is still our best WR before the catch i.e. creating space. They are definitely trying to work the other guys though.
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Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .
And last year we scored:
0 v. Bills (30D)
13 v. Panthers (27D)
17 v. Rams (26D)

All losses.

We are 1-2, one game out of the lead in our division and two games behind the team with the best record in the NFL.

If you don't see the improvement in and potential wins due to point production, fine.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:43 PM   #490
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Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .
The original statement you answered "empty stats" to was about the offense. You're either suggesting the offense is to fault for the last two losses or who the opponent is, or you've completely changed your argument.
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And last year we scored:
0 v. Bills (30D)
13 v. Panthers (27D)
17 v. Rams (26D)

All losses.

We are 1-2, one game out of the lead in our division and two games behind the team with the best record in the NFL.

If you don't see the improvement in and potential wins due to point production, fine.

but but last year we were 3 - 0.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:06 PM   #492
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The original statement you answered "empty stats" to was about the offense. You're either suggesting the offense is to fault for the last two losses or who the opponent is, or you've completely changed your argument.
I apologize if it seemed i was singling out the O for the last two, it has by far been a team effort. Skins havnt looked good the last two weeks, team discipline, oline, defense, secondary special teams, pick one. Could care less about stats Skins are 1-2.
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but but last year we were 3 - 0.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:11 PM   #494
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Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .
You've changed an argument about the offense only into an argument which includes defense and special teams. But this particular discussion is about the offense alone.

I thought that the offense started much too slowly against Cinci. Yet we still lead the NFL in scoring and are doing quite well scoring points even if we leave out defensive scores.

I agree with those folks who are excited about the offense. We have an offense which is fun to watch. When in the heck have we been in a position to say that? IMO appreciation of our current team begins with appreciation for having an offense which makes people around the NFL world talk in a good way.
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Hi . This is Jordan Shipley.

Being from Texas I saw plenty of RGIII at Baylor and I can tell you that he's a bum.

I signed with Tampa as soon as I saw the Redskins were on the schedule.

Have you guys seen me return kicks lately ? ....I'm a beast . I might have muffed a kick last week but don't let that fool you . I want my film to look bad so I can own the Redskins .
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