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Old 03-07-2013, 03:03 PM   #856
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Winston doesn't make sense for us for a couple of reasons:

1) primarily salary, we are not in a position to pay top 5 money to a RT right now.

2) although Polumbus was less than stellar, we succeeded in having a successful attack to all parts of the field.

3) at 30, while not old, he isn't "young" either, and this draft will have RT's to develop.

4) speaking of developing, we have brought in several OL, and MS is big on OL stability. Bringing in a high to overpaid star power player, regardless of his ability, doesn't add to the cohesive group mentality MS creates

5) personally, the whole we gotta get player x, is the leftover mentality from the bad days. If we bring him in at a reasonable deal, great, but that won't happen, because he isn't looking for a reasonable deal. He wants the dollars. No fault on him, just saying that we don't do business that way anymore.
1) Yes, true, you hope he goes for the championship/good team and not for the money, again.

2) Polumbus, as I've mentioned before, didn't even rank in the top 35 RTs. Think about that one for a second. Winston, ranked 3rd and is a fit with this offense.

3) True

4) I wouldn't say we have stability at RT, at all. You're about 4/5ths correct. MS is not happy with the RT position. This is known throughout other insiders.

5) True, but every once in a while you come across a player that fits almost too pefectly or makes too much sense. Let me kind of flip this question on you. Would you want to draft a guy you have no idea how he'd hold up in the pros, or would you go with the guy who is known by the coaches (Kyle Shanahan) and is known to fit an immediate need and you know what he's going to do against other pros? Its not like we're asking a lineman from another scheme which none of our coaches have no experience with (example Ghosder Cherilus) to come here and ''see what happens''.

Eric Winston supposedly dominated Von Miller last year, and I don't need to get into how great a player Von is.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:51 PM   #857
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I get that Winston is one of the Best, AH was one of the best, many others were one of the best, but RT is not worth putting a big chunk of cap space towards. My point with Polumbus is not that he should be the guy, but that even a moderately priced FA/rookie combination should do wonders, and it's not worth breaking the bank for a top 5 RT.

With that said, if we cut Hall, and save his money could we have a shot at NA to replace Hall. This is a case where you could cut Hall, save his money and with a viable contract pay less money for a better CB, assuming we use him more to his talents.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:11 PM   #858
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It looks like one of our Free Agent targets could be staying put:
Buffalo Bills negotiating to re-sign Leodis McKelvin, according to agent - ESPN
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:05 AM   #859
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Reading that Eric Winston can be signed as early as this evening, because he was cut.

What are people's opinion on him?

-He's obviously a fit for the scheme and can play at a high level, but does he still have the desire?

-I believe he's 30 now, so that comes into play too.

-What are the teams feelings on Tom straight outta Compton and Polumbus? Polumbus was descent in run support, but god awful in pass-pro, is that something that can be improved upon this offseason, or is he just too slow?

Personally I think I would steer clear, and just draft another T in the mid rounds to push the current RTs.
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Reading that Eric Winston can be signed as early as this evening, because he was cut.

What are people's opinion on him?

-He's obviously a fit for the scheme and can play at a high level, but does he still have the desire?

-I believe he's 30 now, so that comes into play too.

-What are the teams feelings on Tom straight outta Compton and Polumbus? Polumbus was descent in run support, but god awful in pass-pro, is that something that can be improved upon this offseason, or is he just too slow?

Personally I think I would steer clear, and just draft another T in the mid rounds to push the current RTs.
Winston is legit, Compton is coming along but probably not a starter, Polumbus needs to go now. Winston is gonna be a good value starter
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:23 AM   #861
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Reading that Eric Winston can be signed as early as this evening, because he was cut.

What are people's opinion on him?

-He's obviously a fit for the scheme and can play at a high level, but does he still have the desire?

-I believe he's 30 now, so that comes into play too.

-What are the teams feelings on Tom straight outta Compton and Polumbus? Polumbus was descent in run support, but god awful in pass-pro, is that something that can be improved upon this offseason, or is he just too slow?

Personally I think I would steer clear, and just draft another T in the mid rounds to push the current RTs.
I want him as our RT, but that doesnt mean that we can afford him. To me, it depends on the cuts that can be made without hurting the team. Sure we can cut DHall and have the space to sign him, but does that leave us enough to get the draft class signed as well as other depth. If we have to cut to deep to make it happen, then dont pursue him.

As for Compton and Polumbus. We have to move on from Polumbus. He is bad in pass protection, and that forces RG3 to take off running (both if his injuries happened on a scramble). Polumbus will never be good at pass protection. He is very tall, and unfortunately plays very tall. DE's can almost at will get underneath his pads and push him back. That forces him to plant hard and brace for those hits, which makes the speed rush effective. Unless Kyle plans on helping him out (which I doubt) then we need a better pass blocking RT. Can Compton fit that bill? I have heard good things about him, but would still like another legitimate RT to push him for the job.
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Winston is legit, Compton is coming along but probably not a starter, Polumbus needs to go now. Winston is gonna be a good value starter
I don't know where you get value starter from? He's going to get top 5 RT money. That's not value as I see it. That being said, I would love to find a way to still get him in a Skins uniform. He was interviewed on Sirius XM NFL Radio this morning and made it sound like money will still be a big factor but looking at a team that can contend will be important too. Climb on the RGIII express Mr. Winston.

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Old 03-08-2013, 11:29 AM   #863
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I'd let these guys walk: Cooley, T. Jackson, Kehl, M. Williams, Banks, Black, Golston, Lichtensteiger.
Why Lich? Injuries?
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To me, the #1 personnel concern for this team and franchise is to acquire people who can contribute to protecting RGIII. We need to fix the secondary and I think we will, but RGIII is at the core of our hopes for a championship team.

With that in mind, I think the Skins are probably looking hard at Winston as well as Sebastian Vollmer and perhaps other FA's at RT. I believe that the Skins would be willing to pay a lot for a quality starter at RT regardless of their cap situation. Somebody on the current roster who they'd prefer to keep would have to go instead.

KC was a bad experience for Winston but I see no reason why he couldn't fit in well here.

I know this much: A lot of Redskins fans, including myself, are going to breathe easier once we get a legitimate RT to help protect RGIII.
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I don't know where you get value starter from? He's going to get top 5 RT money. That's not value as I see it. That being said, I would love to find a way to still get him in a Skins uniform. He was interviewed on Sirius XM NFL Radio this morning and made it sound like money will still be a big factor but looking at a team that can contend will be important too. Climb on the RGIII express Mr. Winston.

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value as in what he will cost vs how he will perform. He will probably out perform his cap number at RT. Rated #3 RT for the Chiefs and has already excelled in ZBS.
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value as in what he will cost vs how he will perform. He will probably out perform his cap number at RT. Rated #3 RT for the Chiefs and has already excelled in ZBS.
Ahh, I agree there. Question is, we have done no restructuring, which makes me nervous, how are we going to afford signing him? We don't even know if we have made a call to him.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:09 PM   #867
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Rumor: T Tony Pashos may be a Redskin in the next couple of days.
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Rumor: T Tony Pashos may be a Redskin in the next couple of days.
Makes more sense than Winston, at least $$ wise.

I think that's likely going to be our approach to free agency overall, the 2nd tier value types.
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Didn't Pashos turn us down, or we turned him down about 2 years ago?
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Pashos makes no sense to sign now. He will be out the entire season due to a recent surgery (about a week ago) that takes 9-10 months to heal.
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