Redskins Sign RB Ryan Grant/Place Roy Helu Jr. on IR

JoeRedskin

Yup Butkus was vicious.
Ray Lewis is a sissy.

If your point is the game has always been violent. I agree - it's one of the reasons I like it.

If your point is that yesterday's players were tougher than today's player. I disagree and believe your suffering from "old man back in the day syndrome". When comparing pre-mega NFL to today's Super-Powered-Entertainment-Driven-Mega NFL, there are lots more things going into these decisions. In part, there is a heightened awareness of how you can be crippled for life after playing the game for 10 years. Does this result in more caution by player? yes. Does having this foresight mean the player lacks toughness? No. I would suggest they are independent of each other. Also, 20 years ago (pre-CBA, Mega-NFL) players were cheap and disposable. Now, not so much. Often times the players aren't the ones making the decision, owners and coaches have too much invested in these guys to let them risk playing with injury. [Show me any comment by Helu indicating he is happy to be going to IR - bet you can't].

If your point is that Helu is a sissy/cream puff. I disagree and say the jury is still out. He apparently had a serious achilles injury over the summer and tried battling through it. Playing at this level, however, requires a performance level slightly higher than that required of safety on a high school football team ... oops, excuse me a starting safety. An injury that slows Helu down a step or two makes him a pedestrian back at best. [ BTW - I too had a foot injury and, while I could do all sorts of mundane workaday sh** and play some back yard football, if I needed speed or quickness, it simply wasn't happening. It wasn't the pain, it was just the foot didn't work right].

Ultimately, just like their have always been vicious hitters, there have always been "tough" guys. Look at Lewis, while I don't particularly like the guy, no doubt he is one of the toughest meanest SOB's in sports. Toughness? Let's talk London Fletcher. Sorry, you got your "back when I was a kid" glasses on which carefully ignore the hundreds of Helu type guys from the 50's-80's b/c they didn't stand out.

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Mattyk

If you can't run you can't play.

There are some injuries you can't simply tough out and play through.

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Hahahaha.
My Dad has this.

punch it in

I may be 41 years old, but I have seen footage of all these guys. Listen I dont want to get hit by Butkus or Ray Lewis. Back than the nutritional science and sports science wasnt what it is today. Training facilities werent what they are today. alot of the guys back than probably had to work in the off season and couldnt train all year long like todays athletes. That being said on a pound for pound basis - yes - I fear the speed, power, and hits of todays NFL more than back than. I never said if Butkus was around today he wouldnt be just as good. But he isnt - if he was this would be a one sided argument.
Also, I dont think that paralyzing a guy makes you ferocious - Stingley was hit in the wrong place - he was unlucky.

53Fan

I seem to remember a guy named Sean Taylor being feared not so long ago. I seriously doubt Jack Tatum was any tougher than him.

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mooby

What do you mean, he can't play with an amputated foot!?!!?!?!?! GRIND THE BONE DAMMIT!

NYCskinfan82

LMAO.

punch it in

Well according to some people sean taylor never paralyzed anyone so he wasnt tough. Lol

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Giantone

The older player didn't have the knowledge about their bodies as players nowadays!I can tell by your postings that you didn't play the game at a high level,becuase if you had you would know the players today have it twice as hard as ...as you say..."the olden days".
When I played I could head slap, I could nail a player who wasn't looking and I could hit a QB in the chest and drive straight up and not get called for a thing.And lord knows don't get me started on the whole horse coller rule BS.
Remeber like it or not this is their job and if they don't play they don't last long,so the longer you can play and that means taking care of yourself the more they can make.Those former players even admit now they were stupid and are suing the NFL for letting them play hurt.

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Giantone

Yup,it's called fundimentals and they work.If you watch ,a lot of the players who get hurt have bad form or their head is down when they hit.


watch their heads....

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REDSKINS4ever

I didn't see the game yesterday. Did Ryan Grant play any?

SmootSmack

Bitch ass sissy was inactive

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JoeRedskin

Well played sir.

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