Around the NFL...Week 4 Style

The Goat · 09-28-2012, 01:44 PM

I think when you look back at how badly we've been outcoached thus far, then look ahead to the remaining schedule, it's pretty easy to see a 4-12 or 5-11 season.

It's especially frustrating for someone who isn't "surrounded" by Skins fans drinking the kool-aid i.e. I have a ton of friends and fam who are Denver fans and not a single one thinks Shanahan deserves an HC job...anywhere. I think commentators are sympethetic to him because of the two SBs, but again when you look close it was really his coordinators, John Elway, Sharpe, Davis and a top defense that produced those trophies. I truly think any HC would have won with those teams.

mredskins · 09-28-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I was just tying to figure out what's to like about a defense that's almost as bad as ours. We faced the Bengals too and the Saints still have an offense that can move the ball and score at will.

Well we also played STL (28th ranking) and they scored at will on us. SO this week we have TB (32nd ranking). If they run up the score on us I think it is safe to say CLE has a better DEF then us.

NC_Skins · 09-28-2012, 02:09 PM

Michael Vick is off to a poor start this season, but he's confident he can lead the Philadelphia Eagles to success - ESPN

Remind me again why did they signed him to a 100 million contract?

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd give the Skins the edge because of their offense.

Just like us, Cleveland is giving up a ton of yards on defense. What is it that you like about their defense?

They are giving up 10 less points per game though.

Skins- giving up 34 points per game

Browns - giving up 24.5 point per game

Browns have a better defense. Giving up yards really doesn't mean squat unless your opponent is punching it in the end zone.

mredskins · 09-28-2012, 02:28 PM

At this point why am I still on this board???? I just got some cool Brown's stuff at lunch and a Richardson jersey.

Cleveland ROCKS!

NC_Skins · 09-28-2012, 02:35 PM

Superman Celebration | CharlotteObserver.com

The boys in Charlotte are already clowning Cam with his pouting. (as well as Steve Smith)

I'm so glad that he's not on our squad.

mredskins · 09-28-2012, 02:37 PM

Cam will be fine. You got remember the age of these guys.

Chico23231 · 09-28-2012, 02:41 PM

^ remember hearing a top scout speak last year before the draft who sat in during a Cam interview during the combine and said his he just couldnt spend a top 5 pick on him. He said his concern was 0% physical or skill-wise but 100% mental. He had multiple red flags.

I thought after last season i thought, wow dude must have been wrong. Now Im starting to see exactly what he was refering too.

Chico23231 · 09-28-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Cam will be fine. You got remember the age of these guys.

I remember that was said about Vince Young. He had early success

mredskins · 09-28-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I remember that was said about Vince Young. He had early success

Yet VY never had a season like Cam did last year. I won't write old Cam off yet.

Skinzman · 09-28-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I think when you look back at how badly we've been outcoached thus far, then look ahead to the remaining schedule, it's pretty easy to see a 4-12 or 5-11 season.

It's especially frustrating for someone who isn't "surrounded" by Skins fans drinking the kool-aid i.e. I have a ton of friends and fam who are Denver fans and not a single one thinks Shanahan deserves an HC job...anywhere. I think commentators are sympethetic to him because of the two SBs, but again when you look close it was really his coordinators, John Elway, Sharpe, Davis and a top defense that produced those trophies. I truly think any HC would have won with those teams.

The problem with this line of thinking is that Walsh only won with Montana, Noll only won with Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson only won with Aikman, Belichik only won with Brady, ect... The list goes on. And a lot of people believe that those teams could have won as constructed with a lot of other coaches at the helm.

If the point is that Joe Gibbs was a great coach because of 3 SB's with 3 different QB' and RB's, then im with you 100%.

If the point is that the only coaches who are considered good coaches have to have won SB's with high schoolers to prove that they can outcoach the other sideline. Under that scenario, there is no such thing as a good coach, they are all terrible.

I dont believe the problem is Shanny the coach. I believe the problem is Shanny the GM. Its easy to look outcoached when other teams are more talented than yours. I figured it would take several years after Vinny left office to make up for his mistakes, but its year 3, and we still have massive holes all over the place. Allen needs to have that final say on player acquisition imo.

punch it in · 09-28-2012, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Michael Vick is off to a poor start this season, but he's confident he can lead the Philadelphia Eagles to success - ESPN

Remind me again why did they signed him to a 100 million contract?

They are giving up 10 less points per game though.

Skins- giving up 34 points per game

Browns - giving up 24.5 point per game

Browns have a better defense. Giving up yards really doesn't mean squat unless your opponent is punching it in the end zone.

I think they gave vick that contract based solely on what he did to us a couple years ago. So take that eagles! Lol.

NC_Skins · 09-28-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

^ remember hearing a top scout speak last year before the draft who sat in during a Cam interview during the combine and said his he just couldnt spend a top 5 pick on him. He said his concern was 0% physical or skill-wise but 100% mental. He had multiple red flags.

I thought after last season i thought, wow dude must have been wrong. Now Im starting to see exactly what he was refering too.

That was Mike Mayock that killed him in his review. It tells me a lot about a person when they are getting their asses handed to them, and the guy still wants to show off (doing the Superman shit) after scoring a TD. I'm like, hey superman, you aren't too super because you are getting your ass handed to you.

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Yet VY never had a season like Cam did last year. I won't write old Cam off yet.

He had a "pro-bowl" type of season and ended up in the pro-bowl just like Cam. Him having a fantastic year doesn't mean jack shit really. Having fantastic years of play is another story. Their offense they ran last year was more designed to suit his strengths, but now the real test is going to begin. After teams have tape and a full year of watching him, they'll be able to game plan for him much better. (as noted in the games this year)

I said from the get go with him that his first year wouldn't mean jack (good or bad), but it would be his second and third year as to how he'll do in the long run. I believe that with mostly any QB to be honest with you. (RGIII as well)

Monkeydad · 09-28-2012, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Michael Vick is off to a poor start this season, but he's confident he can lead the Philadelphia Eagles to success - ESPN

Remind me again why did they signed him to a 100 million contract?

Nice dynasty you have going there, Vick.

JoeRedskin · 09-28-2012, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinzman

The problem with this line of thinking is that Walsh only won with Montana, Noll only won with Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson only won with Aikman, Belichik only won with Brady, ect... The list goes on. And a lot of people believe that those teams could have won as constructed with a lot of other coaches at the helm.

If the point is that Joe Gibbs was a great coach because of 3 SB's with 3 different QB' and RB's, then im with you 100%.

If the point is that the only coaches who are considered good coaches have to have won SB's with high schoolers to prove that they can outcoach the other sideline. Under that scenario, there is no such thing as a good coach, they are all terrible.

I dont believe the problem is Shanny the coach. I believe the problem is Shanny the GM. Its easy to look outcoached when other teams are more talented than yours. I figured it would take several years after Vinny left office to make up for his mistakes, but its year 3, and we still have massive holes all over the place. Allen needs to have that final say on player acquisition imo.

Well said.

... now where's my seal?

CRedskinsRule · 09-28-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well said.

... now where's my seal?

oh I'm sure it's around somewhere.

09-28-2012, 01:44 PM	#106
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,020	Re: Around the NFL...Week 4 Style I think when you look back at how badly we've been outcoached thus far, then look ahead to the remaining schedule, it's pretty easy to see a 4-12 or 5-11 season. It's especially frustrating for someone who isn't "surrounded" by Skins fans drinking the kool-aid i.e. I have a ton of friends and fam who are Denver fans and not a single one thinks Shanahan deserves an HC job...anywhere. I think commentators are sympethetic to him because of the two SBs, but again when you look close it was really his coordinators, John Elway, Sharpe, Davis and a top defense that produced those trophies. I truly think any HC would have won with those teams. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

09-28-2012, 02:28 PM	#109
mredskins Franchise Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,944	Re: Around the NFL...Week 4 Style At this point why am I still on this board???? I just got some cool Brown's stuff at lunch and a Richardson jersey. Cleveland ROCKS! __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

09-28-2012, 02:35 PM	#110
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,256	Re: Around the NFL...Week 4 Style Superman Celebration \| CharlotteObserver.com The boys in Charlotte are already clowning Cam with his pouting. (as well as Steve Smith) I'm so glad that he's not on our squad. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

09-28-2012, 02:37 PM	#111
mredskins Franchise Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,944	Re: Around the NFL...Week 4 Style Cam will be fine. You got remember the age of these guys. __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

09-28-2012, 02:41 PM	#112
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,774	Re: Around the NFL...Week 4 Style ^ remember hearing a top scout speak last year before the draft who sat in during a Cam interview during the combine and said his he just couldnt spend a top 5 pick on him. He said his concern was 0% physical or skill-wise but 100% mental. He had multiple red flags. I thought after last season i thought, wow dude must have been wrong. Now Im starting to see exactly what he was refering too. __________________ Ready for the Draft.

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