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Old 10-04-2012, 09:37 PM   #31
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those numbers don't tell the whole story, just like this one doesn't, either:

redskins a top 10 rushing defense w 89 rushing yards allowed per game.
True enough but at the same time we have to realize that our offense is either making teams play catch up or nipping at their heels. On top of that our pass defenses is swiss cheese and it's just been too for a lot of our opponents rack up passing yards.
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:11 PM   #32
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Re: Whats up with the D-Line?

Nothing is wrong with the Redskins d-line. They are rock solid against the run.
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:36 PM   #33
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Nothing is wrong with the Redskins d-line. They are rock solid against the run.
No they are not. They are in the bottom third of the league in yards per carry. Teams just dont run the ball on us because of our inabiility to cover anybodys pass game. When they do run they are successful. Stats dont lie.


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Old 10-06-2012, 12:23 PM   #34
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Our defensive line is absolutely not getting any kind of pressure on the qb. The stat that they have been strong against the run is a bit deceiving. Thanks in large part to RGIII, and the offense scoring mad point early. Thus having opposing offenses going to the pass to try to get back in games. Our defense is horrid, and truly a disgrace to be considered an NFL caliber defense. I put the blame on Hasslett. I feel that there is too much talent on the d-line for it to not to be doing better. I looks to me to be a technique and scheme thing. Hasslett has to go after this year, and we need an upgrade at the db position.
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:20 PM   #35
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Nothing is wrong with the Redskins d-line. They are rock solid against the run.
No they are not. They are bottom ten in yards allowed per rush. I'd wager that if people didn't throw so much on us, that number might even be higher................We gotta shore that up to make a run in the NFCE. Lesean McCoy and Bradshaw are both going to cream us if we don't...
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Old 10-06-2012, 03:52 PM   #36
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No they are not. They are bottom ten in yards allowed per rush. I'd wager that if people didn't throw so much on us, that number might even be higher................We gotta shore that up to make a run in the NFCE. Lesean McCoy and Bradshaw are both going to cream us if we don't...
I think you have some fair points but still think we are better if they have to run due to weather. Just playing with the stats, we are tied with Houston for 4th least rush attempts against our defense. And 19th in yards per attempt. As is our nature, though, we have a tendency to be a stiff defense, then give up one or two long runs. The longest being 53 (6th longest in the league).

Ultimately, while ATL might get one or two big plays it won't be a scoring fest for them if the game is more run oriented.
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Old 10-06-2012, 04:13 PM   #37
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I hate beating a dead horse, but the real evaluation of the defense is comparing it to what Mike and Bruce inherited, and simply put this defense is garbage in comparison. Just garbage. I don't give two shits about one run defense stat. What matters are points scored, and the pre-Shanahan defense rarely gave up more than 20 points a game.
Also, the argument defense is giving up points because we have a high scoring offense is beyond absurd. C'mon guys let's not circulate nonsense that sounds like we're grade school kids on the internet here. The pre Shanahan defense spent a lot of time on the field (more than it does today to be sure) and still gave up fewer points. This defense gives up points because it's a lousy defense. Period.
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Old 10-06-2012, 04:54 PM   #38
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Stats can be misleading and I think it is a bit inaccurate to look at only 4 weeks of stats and think you have a complete picture. You are only as good or bad as the teams you play.
The #1 defense though only 4 games the Texans have played Miami, Jacksonville, Denver and Tennessee (with out Locker). There a no "super" playoff team on that list except possibly Denver, but they have been having growing pains at times with Manning. Certainly no sure Superbowl bound teams on that list.

Yes, our defense is not very good right now. The injury to DE Adam Carriker did more damage to our line and line rotation than we thought it would. The suspension of Tanard Jackson was huge, we really needed his skills.

I really do not like the way we are using Kedric Golston. He really does not provide anything on our 3-4 scheme. No strong pass rush, no strong run stopper. You never ever see him making a difference and knocking an O-lineman back on his heels or making a sack or big hit. I have nothing against the guy other than when he plays he grabs onto an offensive lineman and does nothing else. It is time to move on. I would like to give some of the others Worthington, Chris Baker, Dominique Hamilton or Chigbo Anunoboy some more playing time and see what we have. We have seen 7 years of Kedric Goldsten and he is not going to be anything more than what he is now, a mediocre career backup.
The only other change I would like to see besides adding two great safety's and great Cb this next off season, is finding a real defensive play caller other than Hasslett. Play calling and in game adjustments are his weakness. Just like Golston, we have given Hasslett plenty of time to see what he offers and frankly it is not enough. We need more from our defensive coordinator.

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Old 10-06-2012, 04:55 PM   #39
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I hate beating a dead horse, but the real evaluation of the defense is comparing it to what Mike and Bruce inherited, and simply put this defense is garbage in comparison. Just garbage. I don't give two shits about one run defense stat. What matters are points scored, and the pre-Shanahan defense rarely gave up more than 20 points a game.
Also, the argument defense is giving up points because we have a high scoring offense is beyond absurd. C'mon guys let's not circulate nonsense that sounds like we're grade school kids on the internet here. The pre Shanahan defense spent a lot of time on the field (more than it does today to be sure) and still gave up fewer points. This defense gives up points because it's a lousy defense. Period.
I tend to believe that our defense looks worse than it previously did in large part because in the past offenses didn't have to try so hard to keep up with our own.

But more importantly, I don't think it's too fair to make the comparison because you had a lot of older/2nd tier guys when Shanahan came on that had to be moved out to make room for future players who could grow with the team. We wouldn't be too well served right now with H.B. Blades, Phillip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin, Anthony Montgomery, Renaldo Wynn
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:26 PM   #40
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All four of our games have been track meets. With two of them making the other teams offense come back from being down 14 + points. Our defense is bad at times giving up big plays BUT they have also scored two TDs and have been creating turnovers. We will see tomorrow.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:59 PM   #41
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3-4 lineman aren't going to put up pretty stats. Just look at the results against the run and that's all you need to tell you they're doing their job.
This is what makes JJ Watts so special.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:52 AM   #42
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Re: Whats up with the D-Line?

Our defense took a big hit losing AC and Rak in the same game. I think we are not getting a lot of pressure on the QB because teams are getting the ball out quicker against out defense. Our run defense will be tested today by the Falcons and they will use alot of PA to set up the passing game. Our LB's and secondary better be discipline in their coverage assignments because Matt Ryan is very good with his ball fake on PA. I think getting pressure on the QB is much easier when you get a lead or when its 3rd and long. I was hoping to see Brandon Merriweather at SS to see if he would make a impact on our defense. Ryan Kerrigan is a Beast fellas so glad we drafted him. I think he is better than Orakpo. We need Chris Wilson and Rob J. to continue to improve every week.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:16 AM   #43
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Prior to the season most people said our secondary SUCKED!, we are stopping the run for the most part so teams will be airing it out, so if our secondary SUCKS! we are bound to give up lots of yardage through the air. Are D-line is stopping the run Hasslet is not going BLITZ crazy.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:53 PM   #44
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A lot of people blame Haslett, and maybe he is to blame. I don't hold account though.. Check this blog for all you Haslett haters.

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Old 10-12-2012, 12:43 AM   #45
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A lot of people blame Haslett, and maybe he is to blame. I don't hold account though.. Check this blog for all you Haslett haters.

HTTR24-7-Skins Podcasts & Blog Film Sessions: Haslett vs LeBeau Battle Of The 3-4
Super detailed analysis of the defensive scheme. More than anything it show how predictable Haslett has made the defense, which almost guarantees its poor performance since the Lebeau 3-4 is based on unpredictability i.e. forcing the offense to adjust to the defense.

The blogger's contrast between Haslett's (over)use of DB/safety blitzes compared to LB and A gap blitzes is probably overemphasized, because we've all seen Troy P blitz from every angle. The Steelers do a far better job of disguising the blitz and mixing up the point of extra pressure.

And the other big story is we're still better suited, personnel wise, for a tradition 4-3 defense anyway, while the Steelers have the personnel to run Lebeau's 3-4.

Haslett is a mediocre at best coach, but he's really not the problem. He didn't force the change to a 3-4 and then fail to acquire the defensive players necessary to make it work...Mike and Bruce did.
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