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Old 10-08-2012, 01:20 AM   #166
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I hear you but, RGIII was handcuffed. I wonder how much YAC from previous games came from RGIII operating out of the shotgun? Heck Cousins TD came from...
Well it did seem that this was the least "Baylor offense" game we've seen yet
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Maybe it's just me but I'm not ready to close the book on Leonard Hankerson, Roy Helu Evan Royster, Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Chris Chester, Jordan Bernstine, Richard Crawford, Perry Riley, Keenan Robinson, Jarvis Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Kirk Cousins, Stephen Bowen, Adam Gettis, Josh LeRibeus, etc.
Besides trent and bowen though how many of those guys would u put money on the line to say the book wont be closed on? I get that they are young guys. I love hank bro. Love him. But - wins and losses. Show me wins shanny ( that doesnt mean multiple or even one superbowl). Im not a crazy all or bust fan that wants to hang myself everytime we dont get a first down. It is in a sound state of mind that i find myself coming to the conclusion against every ounce of hope i have in my soul that this regime is not what i thought it was. And that thought pisses me the hell off because i love the redskins second to only my family and friends. Notice i didnt even say the dear lord. I am that much of a fan. I always will be win or lose through sickness and health for better or for worse till death do we part. I am DOUBTFUL.


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Besides trent and bowen though how many of those guys would u put money on the line to say the book wont be closed on? I get that they are young guys. I love hank bro. Love him. But - wins and losses. Show me wins shanny ( that doesnt mean multiple or even one superbowl). Im not a crazy all or bust fan that wants to hang myself everytime we dont get a first down. It is in a sound state of mind that i find myself coming to the conclusion against every ounce of hope i have in my soul that this regime is not what i thought it was. And that thought pisses me the hell off because i love the redskins second to only my family and friends. Notice i didnt even say the dear lord. I am that much of a fan. I always will be win or lose through sickness and health for better or for worse till death do we part. I am DOUBTFUL.


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I disagree but for the sake of discussion. What would your plan be? Fire the gm, head coach, of, dc, st coach? Who are you replacing them with? What timeframe are you going to give them to win? Do they get one year? Two? Five? And then we just fire them and start over again if we haven't won the Super Bowl?

I get you hate the current staff. Changing them out pushes a reset button on the franchise that may or may not work out and that costs us years to determine it.

This isn't a zorn in over his head situation. I think we stay the course with our current staff. I get you disagree, just don want to read any more posts of people saying fire everyone without also giving some kind of plan on who they would replace them with. Otherwise it's just noise.
You're totally right I sound like an a$$hole pointing out the problem (that I really think everyone also knows, deep down) but not giving a solution. Thing is it's a pretty "general" solution. Hire the best GM available. We can talk all day about who that may be, and I'd even go so far to say Bruce Allen could be a consideration. But regardless, from that point on it's a simple "you're fired" all the way down the line with the possible exception of Morris...the only coach on the roster to coach a winning team so far this decade.

I'd take either coordinator from Cinci. I'd take either from San Fran. I'd even take Gregg Williams and Al Saunders back.
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What are you asking me?
How many of those other guys you mentioned besides tw and bowen are you confident will contribute to this team. The rest of my rant was just to say that im not doom and gloom. My doubt stems from cold hard wins and losses. Lol.


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So you sign Gaffney for one year and then what? Sign him again for another one year deal?
If you can't sign (in 2013) a guy worth spending $4 million or $5 million a year? Yeah probably, Gaffney again. The Patriots are doing this and going to the Superbowls. Moss could be Welker in the Pats system, and the rest of their guys are pedestrian like ours. Hell, we even have a better RB/running game than NE, we're already half way there!
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You're totally right I sound like an a$$hole pointing out the problem (that I really think everyone also knows, deep down) but not giving a solution. Thing is it's a pretty "general" solution. Hire the best GM available. We can talk all day about who that may be, and I'd even go so far to say Bruce Allen could be a consideration. But regardless, from that point on it's a simple "you're fired" all the way down the line with the possible exception of Morris...the only coach on the roster to coach a winning team so far this decade.

I'd take either coordinator from Cinci. I'd take either from San Fran. I'd even take Gregg Williams and Al Saunders back.
I hear you goat. I know what yor saying. You know that. You are doubtful like me because you are a fan and you want wins. Not 5-11 records and than to come on here and see how great shanny is doing. We are on the same page bro. But take back the al saunders comment now! Lol


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I hear you goat. I know what yor saying. You know that. You are doubtful like me because you are a fan and you want wins. Not 5-11 records and than to come on here and see how great shanny is doing. We are on the same page bro. But take back the al saunders comment now! Lol


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Saunders is a funny thought cuz like Shanny he hasn't won in years

Your idea to make Mike a RB scout: brilliant. LOL how awesome would it be to listen in on that conversation!
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I just remember the huge playbook saunders had. He was like a mad scientist. Was it ramsey or jc at that time. I cant remember?


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How many of those other guys you mentioned besides tw and bowen are you confident will contribute to this team. The rest of my rant was just to say that im not doom and gloom. My doubt stems from cold hard wins and losses. Lol.


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I think Lichtenstegier and Chester are already contributing. You see some of those holes Morris has been getting?

I think Riley is already contributing

I think Helu needs to stay healthy but we saw what he could do last year...ditto Royster

I think Hankerson has shown flashes but for various reasons has been a bit of a disappointment

I think it's way way way too early to pass any judgement on Cousins, Rib, Gettis, Compton, Robinson
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Chester i should have excluded. I give morris a ton of credit. He gets holes but man he could cut diamonds with those moves. I believe helu was tagged as a bit of an injury prone / couldnt carry a full load guy when he came into the league though.


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The Redskins fought hard in this one. The defense has face five great QBs so far this season. We knew that going in to this game the game would be close. While I'm a bit down on the starting corners, I felt the defense play overall played a great game.
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Many of his passes, even the completions, didn't look accurate. He was throwing low, throwing behind receivers. If I were to lay the smack down...RG3, Kyle Shanahan, Cundiff, and Madieu Williams would get it
I agree. I thought we saw the game of an average QB out there. Also, he has to be smarter for his own hysical and mental health. On the play he got his concussion he should've just thrown it away or ran out of bounds ( he does this we probably get a late hit and a new set of downs).
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Garcon is good when healthy. Coaching staff, in my opinion, is holding RG3 back. RG3 needs to learn to run out of bounds instead of getting killed. I expect a fine to the player who hit him in the helmet...
He's not going to throw deep balls every play. He leads the league with 8. something per attempt. So i'm not sure what else you would have him "unleash". We have a potent running attack with Morris and RG3.

There is no handcuff's in our offense at the moment. Do they limit the amount of plays RG3 has learned? Probally, since the guy has never used a playbook in college.

Team is young, and we have 2 potential RoTY canidate's on our offense. I'm pretty excited about the future.
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Dont forget mcnabb or cundiff or all thr others moves or draftpicks that didnt work out. Sit down and go over every draft pick and free agent signing made by shanny since he got here. More wrongs than rites. It would be an absolute calamity if shanny fails and you know it. The guy has one playoff win in 14 years. What makes you so sure he is on the verge of winning games?. I think you overcome your fear of having to start over again with a new regime by ripping goat or me or anybody who doubts shanny. Are you THAT SURE that this team will be winning in year five????


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I can't see the future, but I would put my money on yes. He said 5 years, and we are already winning. 2-3 is not 1-4, or 0-5.. This is the NFL, and there is not one team that is perfect. I didn't see the the Falcons board screaming to fire their offensive cordinator because they had two plays that threw passes to a backup center.

Shanahan came in and said it would take 5 years. I'm willing to give him that. He's done a lot of good for this franchise and we are currently 1 game out of the division lead.

I have a strong feeling if we win next week, and go in to NY the following with the division lead at stake. The vibrations of failure could change around here.

Everyone is so easy to scream failure. I understand everyone has different opinions, but this day and age NFL isn't perfect.. People and teams will get better or worse. I believe we are getting better.

Packers got beat by the Colts yesterday, and they are now 2-3.. The worse team in the NFL last year just beat the team that was in the Superbowl. I believe we were an injury away from perhaps winning against a team that is now 5-0 this year.

We are not as far off as people think in my opinion.
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