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Old 10-08-2012, 12:47 PM   #211
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Re: Falcons at Redskins Post Game Thoughts

I also wondered why Grossman wasn't the 2nd string. Isn't that why we have him? To come in and get us out of a jam? A little unfair to have a rookie QB try and come in cold off the bench and try and win the game.
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I also wondered why Grossman wasn't the 2nd string. Isn't that why we have him? To come in and get us out of a jam? A little unfair to have a rookie QB try and come in cold off the bench and try and win the game.
Yeah I thought that was a poor decision
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Fair enough except the comment about not one team that is perfect. Actually 5-0 is perfect and of course the falcons board isnt screaming- they won? There is a big difference between the skins being in the beginning of their third losing season in a row and last place in the division again and the falcons throwing two passes to their back up center. There is nit-picking and there is being sick of losing. I think anybody that follows the nfl would agree that redskins fans should be a tad bit more upset with the current situation in washington than the falcons fans in atlanta. We are still a team with a lot of question marks and the falcons are a team that is considered a super bowl contender.
That being said - i will leave shanny out of this because like it or not he is here. My positive thought is there is a ton of parody in the nfl and we are not buried in the nfc east by any means. I hope rg3 is back sunday and we win against minn. we have all of our nfc east games in hand and maybe just maybe we turn this around.


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Fair enough, but there is also a big difference between 5-0, and 16-0. We can have the perfect discussion later down the road in the season. 2-3 is not is not 6-10 or even 2-14.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:51 PM   #215
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. The problem with the defense came on third down as they allowed nine of 17 to be converted. Thatís how you let a team run 81 plays Ė 33 more than the Redskins. It didnít help at all that the Redskins were only one of nine on third down, making them three of 20 in the last two games combined. This has been a season-long issue and if they donít improve here, itíll be tough to sustain consistent success. As Robert Griffin III matures, itíll help the conversion rate. This was not his best game, injury notwithstanding. Back to the third-down chatter: The offense needed to help out the D more. If the idea is to keep an explosive offense off the field, they failed miserably. You canít give the Falcons 81 plays and expect to hold them down. They have too much talent.
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It's scary how accurate that is LOL!
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I think your right about Santana.

I dont think our WRs are 'winning' there matchups. Im specifically talking about Robinson and Hankerson...and Morgan to an extent. They need to beat their guy coming off the line and run a good route. If its zone, then they need to find the soft spot. I think it comes with time, but these guys are getting alot of playing time and its a passing league...I think Hank and Robinson have improved, but all about production vs playing time.
Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.
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You refrenced green bay as the team in the superbowl. He was pointing out that the giants were that team because they won it. Anywho......


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I also wondered why Grossman wasn't the 2nd string. Isn't that why we have him? To come in and get us out of a jam? A little unfair to have a rookie QB try and come in cold off the bench and try and win the game.
I said this yesterday and somebody (forget who) lol'd me. Lol'd me can ya believe it? Lol
Edit: bucket you lol'd me in the gameday thread. I said i thought grossman was better than cousins (obviously meaning rite now as a backup - i did say cousins was a wasted pick - i stand by that - rex would be a better back up for the short future and still think the pick could have been used for secondary / line? And we will have time to replace our backup )


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Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.
Moss is perfectly suited for what he is now, the #3 slot receiver who can be that reliable underneath receiver who can turn on the burners for a big gain

Morgan's contract is not as much of a handcuff as people seem to believe.

And we have plenty of draft picks, 2nd rounders, 3rd rounders. Yeah we don't have 1sts but let's not act like we're going into the next several years without key draft picks.

The future is not now. That's why you don't hold onto Gaffney when young talent like Garcon is available. Or spend money on Plax when you can develop Hankerson and Dez as red zone targets. Or add Chad Johnson when a younger receiver in Josh Morgan can grow as the Z receiver. All as RG3 develops too.

Of course I want to win, but I mean we're 2-3. How far off is that from where we all thought our record would be right now? Would you rather be 3-2 with Grossman and Gaffney or 2-3 with RG3 and Garcon?
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i'd like to see briscoe get some serious playing time
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Moss is perfectly suited for what he is now, the #3 slot receiver who can be that reliable underneath receiver who can turn on the burners for a big gain

Morgan's contract is not as much of a handcuff as people seem to believe.

And we have plenty of draft picks, 2nd rounders, 3rd rounders. Yeah we don't have 1sts but let's not act like we're going into the next several years without key draft picks.

The future is not now. That's why you don't hold onto Gaffney when young talent like Garcon is available. Or spend money on Plax when you can develop Hankerson and Dez as red zone targets. Or add Chad Johnson when a younger receiver in Josh Morgan can grow as the Z receiver. All as RG3 develops too.

Of course I want to win, but I mean we're 2-3. How far off is that from where we all thought our record would be right now? Would you rather be 3-2 with Grossman and Gaffney or 2-3 with RG3 and Garcon?
It's a good debate SS, but only if you hold on to the premise guys like Garcon, Hank, Morgan and Briscoe develop into consistent difference makers. Right now, I think it's less than 50/50 odds any of those guys become consistent difference makers. Garcon's middle name, if you will, is inconsistent. The other three are really projects of one form or another. Hopefully I'm wrong all around.

But if none become difference makers then certainly the better route was keep the the average, vet WRs around (for a fraction of the currect payroll) until you really get that guy. That's what I don't understand about the "we're building for the future" argument. I see us trying to win now, and sucking at it. Why blow a wad and gamble on a guy like Garcon, who's definitely not proven he can be a #1 WR, if you're not "reaching" to win now? If anything the regime has looked desperate for immediate improvement in it's personnel decisions.
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Briscoe sucks that's y he isn't playing guys
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How do we know that unless he plays?


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