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Old 10-10-2012, 04:14 PM   #46
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It makes me a little nervous he's playing, but I tend to think it wasn't really a concussion in the first place anyway.
So, let me make sure I am clear on your position. You don't feel comfortable that he is playing, although an independent doctor says it's ok, AND you don't really believe it was a concussion even though an independent doctor says it was.

Got it.

My dad treats doctors EXACTLY the same way, so I know where you are coming from. D*** med schools don't teach nobody nothing nohow.
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So, let me make sure I am clear on your position. You don't feel comfortable that he is playing, although an independent doctor says it's ok, AND you don't really believe it was a concussion even though an independent doctor says it was.

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My dad treats doctors EXACTLY the same way, so I know where you are coming from. D*** med schools don't teach nobody nothing nohow.
Not trying to confuse the issue I promise. If RG3 suffered a concussion I really don't think he should play, but given he's not showing any of the signs it doesn't sound like it was a concussion to begin with. You hear the term mild concussion, but my doc said that was bologna i.e. if you have bruising/swelling to the brain it's a concussion and the dangers of another impact too soon are really high.

My question is to those of you who had/thought you had concussions, what were your symptoms. I don't remember the first one very well because I was eight or so. Just that I couldn't walk for a few days from dizziness and nauseau. The 2nd one at age 29 was several days of nauseau, fogginess and generally not feeling like my feet were under me. I guess what I'm getting at is with a real concussion you're not going to be able to do much. I think some people take a shot to the head and feel a little dazed, then call it a concussion. They're worlds apart.
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If he's cleared to play by the independent doctors, then by all means he should play. Let's stop with the armchair neurologist stuff.
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just leave it to rgiii and don't push him to decide one way or the other.

looks to me like he'll be out there, and as long as he's okay with it (since, you know, he's the one that's going to live with it post football), i'm okay with it.

it's kind of a non-story as far as the "should he play" stuff... we don't have the results, we're not making the decisions, and i'd assume most of us aren't crunching concussion study data or getting medical degrees in our spare time.
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Why would you want him to play??? If the Skins play RGIII this week then we need to have fear and hatred in the staff. You don't put the kid in after only 1 week of a concussion. Let him sit a heal, thats why we have Cousins. I know we are desperate but playing Griff this week would be a bad decision...

I agree. I think we should just go ahead and put him on IR for the remainder of the year.



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Since the season is obviously over with a 2-3 record and 11 more games to play, maybe we should just sit RGIII out the rest of the season. Heck, we might want to sit him next year too just to make sure.
Your sarcasm was better than mine. Kudos.
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Not trying to confuse the issue I promise. If RG3 suffered a concussion I really don't think he should play, but given he's not showing any of the signs it doesn't sound like it was a concussion to begin with. You hear the term mild concussion, but my doc said that was bologna i.e. if you have bruising/swelling to the brain it's a concussion and the dangers of another impact too soon are really high.

My question is to those of you who had/thought you had concussions, what were your symptoms. I don't remember the first one very well because I was eight or so. Just that I couldn't walk for a few days from dizziness and nauseau. The 2nd one at age 29 was several days of nauseau, fogginess and generally not feeling like my feet were under me. I guess what I'm getting at is with a real concussion you're not going to be able to do much. I think some people take a shot to the head and feel a little dazed, then call it a concussion. They're worlds apart.
I would see a new Doc. A simple google search shows there are multiple grades to concussions (and multiple ways to classify them) the least severe causing disorientation and few or quickly resolved post-concussive problems. The more severe causing serious post-concussive symptoms.
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I would see a new Doc. A simple google search shows there are multiple grades to concussions (and multiple ways to classify them) the least severe causing disorientation and few or quickly resolved post-concussive problems. The more severe causing serious post-concussive symptoms.
Doesn't look like you read my post, which addressed the risk of further trauma (as in shots to the head) after a concussion. What you raised is a whole nuther topic i.e. are the the long term effects different for severe vs "mild" concussions. Again, I can only repeat what the doc said. Brain swelling/bruising is a concussion, and even after two (real) concussions there's evidence of causality for deteriorating brain function later in life.

I have no idea why he would lie to me but you of course are free to believe what you like.
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Doesn't look like you read my post, which addressed the risk of further trauma (as in shots to the head) after a concussion. What you raised is a whole nuther topic i.e. are the the long term effects different for severe vs "mild" concussions. Again, I can only repeat what the doc said. Brain swelling/bruising is a concussion, and even after two (real) concussions there's evidence of causality for deteriorating brain function later in life.

I have no idea why he would lie to me but you of course are free to believe what you like.
Then why play football? Running backs and line backers are basically in car crashes every play.


The thing about doctors is, they don't know everything. You'll find that some will give out bad advice or advice that is outdated. I work at a school of medicine so I can assure you on this. Hell, even my own doctor has given improper advice in terms of weight training vs cardio. My friend is a doctor and prescribes people to a 5 bite diet. I could go on and on... Also, this is why they normally send you to a specialist. Because its generally something they don't concentrate or continue educating on it.
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I never said the season was over. But if you actually think the Skins are playing for 1st place , maybe you have the concussion...

Skins are going nowhere this season, maybe 2-3 years, maybe.
I might have one actually from reading your posts.. For some reason it makes me face bash my keyboard over and over. We are five games in, not ten.
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Well if you get a concussion then lay off the keyboard for a few weeks... I just noticed you have only been a Skins fan for 10 years. That explains a lot... Enjoy the ride.
Yeah, I'm more of a realistic fan.. Ride is more like a circus because there is plenty of clowns around
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I too will be nervous for RG3 this week... nervous to lose him... i watched sidney crosby come back.too early after a blow.to the head and suffer another and it took him MAD LONG to return amd still.ismt.back to 100% .... people are just worried, not trying to play "armchair neurologists " ...
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Doesn't look like you read my post, which addressed the risk of further trauma (as in shots to the head) after a concussion. What you raised is a whole nuther topic i.e. are the the long term effects different for severe vs "mild" concussions. Again, I can only repeat what the doc said. Brain swelling/bruising is a concussion, and even after two (real) concussions there's evidence of causality for deteriorating brain function later in life.

I have no idea why he would lie to me but you of course are free to believe what you like.
(1) I did read your original post - did you? The specific question within it was directed "to those of you who had/thought you had concussions" and asked for descriptions by those people of their symptoms. In the post, before receiving responses to your, apparently, rhetorical question, you concluded that "with a real concussion you're not going to be able to do much".

I have never had a concussion so I could not address your specific question and was not attempting to do so. Rather, your conclusions as to the diagnosis and post trauma symptoms of a "real concussion" appeared blatantly wrong to me (i.e. unless you are incapacitated for some significant length of time - "a few days" by your example - it is not a real concussion). Further, your conclusions appeared to be predicated on the erroneous assumption that concussions do not vary greatly in severity or, alternatively, that there is no such thing as a "mild" concussion. These conclusions appeared based on either (a) your own medical training and experience; or (b) the statement from your doctor. I focused on your doctor's statement rather than the inherent arrogance necessary to reach such conclusions based on your own medical knowledge.

(2) Given that your doctor's statement appeared blatantly wrong even to a layman like me, I was curious and googled "concussions classification". As a result, I got all sorts of scales/classifications for judging "mild" v. "severe" concussions with descriptions of their short term and long term effects and addressing both "the risk of further trauma (as in shots to the head) after a concussion" and "the long term effects different for severe vs "mild" concussions". I simply did not post them all b/c (a) it's easy enough for you to do the google research all on your own; and (b) it was irrelevant to the point I was asserting.

My point, which clearly escaped you, was simply that your doctor's assertion that all concussions present an equal short term risk is a broad over-generalization and, for the point you asserted, wrong. "Real concussions" come in a variety of levels and a person who "take[s] a shot to the head and feel[s] a little dazed" may very well be concussed. As a quick google search will tell you, such an individual requires different treatment and recovery time than one who has "several days of nauseau, fogginess and generally not feeling like [their] feet were under [them]". Diagnosing the trauma and determing the best treatment, however, is probably best left to doctors. Just not yours apparently.

(3) I never said your doctor "lied to you". I just asserted his statement was wrong and blatantly so such that it would make me doubt his credentials and skill.

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