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Old 10-25-2012, 02:08 PM   #301
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Isn't Moss one of Shanny's guys now, considering he did re-sign him to a new 3 yr $15M deal last year.

I think it's just a case of managing an older player's playing time. Considering injuries have been an issue with him in recent years it seems like the smart thing to do.
Maybe I should have said Shanny's guys of the future? I guess I'm a "win now" sucker at the end of the day, and don't see the smarts in "saving" Tana for later in the season. If you fall way behind with losses what are you saving him for? He's healthy now, and our best downfield threat now that Davis is done for the season. Tana helped himself a lot by losing some pounds and getting into to better shape, all which should help him stay healthier.

I'd just do whatever I could to get the ball into his hands, and if he wears down a bit then back off the touches a bit. Garcon should be back after the bye week too.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:11 PM   #302
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I hate that bubble screen, but I have never seen anyone run it any better than Santana. When he scored on it last week, I had visions of 2005 when he use to catch that same pass from Brunell. Getting him on the edge with blockers, makes him look like a punter returner, which is what he was when he first came into the league with the Jets. He is an amazing player.
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I hate that bubble screen, but I have never seen anyone run it any better than Santana. When he scored on it last week, I had visions of 2005 when he use to catch that same pass from Brunell. Getting him on the edge with blockers, makes him look like a punter returner, which is what he was when he first came into the league with the Jets. He is an amazing player.
And to think some people wanted Gaffney over him.
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Maybe I should have said Shanny's guys of the future? I guess I'm a "win now" sucker at the end of the day, and don't see the smarts in "saving" Tana for later in the season. If you fall way behind with losses what are you saving him for? He's healthy now, and our best downfield threat now that Davis is done for the season. Tana helped himself a lot by losing some pounds and getting into to better shape, all which should help him stay healthier.

I'd just do whatever I could to get the ball into his hands, and if he wears down a bit then back off the touches a bit. Garcon should be back after the bye week too.
Well, he only plays in 3 WR sets now. He doesn't bring much to the table in terms of run blocking like Hankerson or Morgan and he's clearly best suited for the slot at this point in his career.
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Well, he only plays in 3 WR sets now. He doesn't bring much to the table in terms of run blocking like Hankerson or Morgan and he's clearly best suited for the slot at this point in his career.
Yep, we could run more of those 3 WR sets, like the Pats do w/ Welker.
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Would Love to see that .. HTTR !
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i wonder if he'll ever return a punt again, maybe back there w banks for a (real or fake) reverse?
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Well, he only plays in 3 WR sets now. He doesn't bring much to the table in terms of run blocking like Hankerson or Morgan and he's clearly best suited for the slot at this point in his career.
Matty, you have just hit on something that I find a little predictable with our playcalling. I obviously don't have the stats to prove it, but when Santana is in the game, the Skins are passing. When he is not and Hankerson and Morgan are in, there is a higher chance the Skins are rushing. Hankerson and Morgan are big bodied receivers who can block. Santana, not so much. Like I said, I don't have the stats on this, but try to notice it this week and see if I'm not right.

Some might say, well of course we are passing and not running because with Moss we are in a 3WR set. But you can run out of that set as well, but the Skins, don't do that very often. Anyway, just my 2 cents coming off your observations about Hankerson and Morgan.
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Matty, you have just hit on something that I find a little predictable with our playcalling. I obviously don't have the stats to prove it, but when Santana is in the game, the Skins are passing. When he is not and Hankerson and Morgan are in, there is a higher chance the Skins are rushing. Hankerson and Morgan are big bodied receivers who can block. Santana, not so much. Like I said, I don't have the stats on this, but try to notice it this week and see if I'm not right.

Some might say, well of course we are passing and not running because with Moss we are in a 3WR set. But you can run out of that set as well, but the Skins, don't do that very often. Anyway, just my 2 cents coming off your observations about Hankerson and Morgan.
Hmm. I think it's a good observation, as I can't remember us running the ball much with Tana on the field.

In terms of predictability, I suspect the option is getting predictable. NY blew it up what, three or four times? Maybe using the 3 WR set instead of so many option reads would do the offense some good.

I realize the stats on offense are still impressive, but frankly, offense lost the NY game as much as defense, and overall the offense has been very unimpressive unless Kyle puts the ball in RG3 hands i.e. RG3 runs pretty often. And now even that isn't fooling the defense most of the time.

Regardless, we haven't scored that many points in the last few weeks, and certainly not enough to win given the damage this regime has done to the defense.

Edit: I meant to say three out of the four last weeks. The offense was great against the Vikings, although there you go right back to it falling on RG3 running to make it happen.
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Moss has been in fewer running plays as the season's progressed. But he has been in some.
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Hmm. I think it's a good observation, as I can't remember us running the ball much with Tana on the field.

In terms of predictability, I suspect the option is getting predictable. NY blew it up what, three or four times? Maybe using the 3 WR set instead of so many option reads would do the offense some good.

I realize the stats on offense are still impressive, but frankly, offense lost the NY game as much as defense, and overall the offense has been very unimpressive unless Kyle puts the ball in RG3 hands i.e. RG3 runs pretty often. And now even that isn't fooling the defense most of the time.

Regardless, we haven't scored that many points in the last few weeks, and certainly not enough to win given the damage this regime has done to the defense.

Edit: I meant to say three out of the four last weeks. The offense was great against the Vikings, although there you go right back to it falling on RG3 running to make it happen.
yeah 480 yds, 4 drives ended by turnover, not by punt or loss of downs. Still not buying your stance on the offense. Our offense shoot's itself in the foot more than any defense has stopped it, and I include the few bone head moments from KS in that.
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Hmm. I think it's a good observation, as I can't remember us running the ball much with Tana on the field.

In terms of predictability, I suspect the option is getting predictable. NY blew it up what, three or four times? Maybe using the 3 WR set instead of so many option reads would do the offense some good.

I realize the stats on offense are still impressive, but frankly, offense lost the NY game as much as defense, and overall the offense has been very unimpressive unless Kyle puts the ball in RG3 hands i.e. RG3 runs pretty often. And now even that isn't fooling the defense most of the time.

Regardless, we haven't scored that many points in the last few weeks, and certainly not enough to win given the damage this regime has done to the defense.

Edit: I meant to say three out of the four last weeks. The offense was great against the Vikings, although there you go right back to it falling on RG3 running to make it happen.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:00 PM   #314
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yeah 480 yds, 4 drives ended by turnover, not by punt or loss of downs. Still not buying your stance on the offense. Our offense shoot's itself in the foot more than any defense has stopped it, and I include the few bone head moments from KS in that.
I think we agree the offense has ridiculous potential, and has shown (many) flashes of it.

Maybe you mean lack of consistency when you say shooting itself in the foot. I feel the same, but I lay (significantly) more of the "blame" on our play-calling and play-design than execution and/or talent.

I acknowledge the offense is less predictable than it was before the RG3 era, but I still see many plays that are obviously read by the defense before the ball is snapped. What surprised me in the NY game was how early the defense picked up Kyle's thinking, and yet we continued to see the option, which should have resulted in more than 4 turnovers btw but we got lucky.

And when we haven't relied heavily on the option the offense is pretty pedestrian. I think that speaks volumes about the play-calling/play-design when you consider that we're rocking the most accurate passer in the league, have a fantastic running game, and have more than sufficient talent among our pass-catchers (even with Davis and Garcon out).
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^^

Translation: Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly RG3 is saving both the Shanahans' asses from total failure with the Redskins.

I still don't really know whether to take the Mike and/or Kyle apologists serious. Like, I suspect people do it because they liked Mike from his Denver days, or have a personal liking for them somehow, or just want to f*ck with me. And those are good reasons. But when you have a regime that's done as much damage to one side of the ball (defense) as it has to the other side (offense), and the offense didn't get any better until arguably the most dynamic talent pro football has ever seen arrived (and then play-calling/play-design is still an issue)...well, I just don't get the love.

But whatevs, we've all seen stranger things.
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