Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley

JoeRedskin · 10-26-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I think we agree the offense has ridiculous potential, and has shown (many) flashes of it.

Maybe you mean lack of consistency when you say shooting itself in the foot. I feel the same, but I lay (significantly) more of the "blame" on our play-calling and play-design than execution and/or talent.

I acknowledge the offense is less predictable than it was before the RG3 era, but I still see many plays that are obviously read by the defense before the ball is snapped. What surprised me in the NY game was how early the defense picked up Kyle's thinking, and yet we continued to see the option, which should have resulted in more than 4 turnovers btw but we got lucky.

And when we haven't relied heavily on the option the offense is pretty pedestrian. I think that speaks volumes about the play-calling/play-design when you consider that we're rocking the most accurate passer in the league, have a fantastic running game, and have more than sufficient talent among our pass-catchers (even with Davis and Garcon out).

I've tried in the past being rational and the lack of reason and many logical disconnects within this post (i.e. talent not scheme is responsible for our success but coaching not talent responsible for opponent's success and other such nonesense) would usually invite a point by point refutation. However, that might be seen as to lawyerly and, since we're not in a court room, I'll just go with this:

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JoeRedskin · 10-26-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

^^

Translation: Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly RG3 is saving both the Shanahans' asses from total failure with the Redskins.

I still don't really know whether to take the Mike and/or Kyle apologists serious. Like, I suspect people do it because they liked Mike from his Denver days, or have a personal liking for them somehow, or just want to f*ck with me. And those are good reasons. But when you have a regime that's done as much damage to one side of the ball (defense) as it has to the other side (offense), and the offense didn't get any better until arguably the most dynamic talent pro football has ever seen arrived (and then play-calling/play-design is still an issue)...well, I just don't get the love.

But whatevs, we've all seen stranger things.

Just b/c I don't believe MS is the epically bad coach you make him out to be, does not mean I am an "apologist". Your insistent, relentless and often irrational criticism is not the bar from which to judge other's "love" for the Shanahan regime. If it were, complimenting Kyle for hitting the urinal when he takes a piss would make one an "apologist".

Your entire statement above can be summed up as "If you don't agree with me that MS regime is epically bad, you don't know what your talking about." You make this point in every thread and every post.

The Goat · 10-26-2012, 08:58 PM

Hey JR, you're on my ignore list so don't know what you posted but probably responded to me somehow??

I didn't mean to start another debate about the Shanahans or anything along those lines. Been trying to leave that alone as best I can resist lol and let the results (I go by wins and losses, btw) speak for themselves.

Aight...that's it and that's all man.

redskin29633 · 10-26-2012, 09:11 PM

Fellows, I feel your pain. Some like Shanahan, some don't. Some wanted Cooley back; others, not so much. It must be election season. The other side is wrong and the other guy is a liar! We have just transported those vibes to the Warpath. No compromise! As for me, I can't let go of my fav, so I say welcome back Chris Cooley.

Supposedly Chris is in great shape. I hope he makes a postive impact, and I beleive he will. I seriously doubt that any of the three can cover for Davis, but combined, maybe the TE position will be more positive than negative as the Redskins march through a turn-around season.

Beat the Steelers! HTTR

53Fan · 10-26-2012, 09:18 PM

Now..now fellas. Don't let him get your Goat. Ahaha...get it? Get it? Thank you very much!

Hog1 · 10-26-2012, 09:24 PM

I say, the Offense is scoring like 30 PPG?
Don't worry....be happy!
The organization is on to something good here---HTTR!

Mattyk · 10-26-2012, 09:38 PM

Playing the option is what RG3 is most comfortable with. When we play more traditional, he looks more pedestrian. Why? Because he's not up to speed yet with that sort of style. He'll get there in time, but for right now they have crafted the offense around his strengths and its paid huge dividends. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would knock the Shanahans for what they have done with RG3. He's been the rookie of the week 3 times, the offense is near the top of the league in yardage and points... all with a rookie QB and RB. Sorry Goat but your coming off as a hater. Plain and simple. I've yet to read any analysis from guys like John Keim or Rich Campbell that agrees with your views regarding any glaring problems with Kyle's play calling, or any other noticeable issues with the offensive schemes... at all.

53Fan · 10-26-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by redskin29633

Supposedly Chris is in great shape. I hope he makes a postive impact, and I beleive he will. I seriously doubt that any of the three can cover for Davis, but combined, maybe the TE position will be more positive than negative as the Redskins march through a turn-around season.

Beat the Steelers! HTTR

You know I realize Cooley was injured last year..he did'nt contribute much..he's older..etc. But he's only 30 and the season before he had 77 receptions.
He's never been exceptionally gifted..speed..but he knows how to play football and he's very motivated I would expect after being cut. He came into camp this spring a little less heavy which is a good thing and he says he has something to prove. I expect there to be good competition at the TE position and I'm looking forward to seeing how it developes

Hog1 · 10-26-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Playing the option is what RG3 is most comfortable with. When we play more traditional, he looks more pedestrian. Why? Because he's not up to speed yet with that sort of style. He'll get there in time, but for right now they have crafted the offense around his strengths and its paid huge dividends. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would knock the Shanahans for what they have done with RG3. He's been the rookie of the week 3 times, the offense is near the top of the league in yardage and points... all with a rookie QB and RB. Sorry Goat but your coming off as a hater. Plain and simple. I've yet to read any analysis from guys like John Keim or Rich Campbell that agrees with your views regarding any glaring problems with Kyle's play calling, or any other noticeable issues with the offensive schemes... at all.

In fact, I have yet to hear....anyone's/Anyone's reviews of Robert, his performance, thus far, his potential, the Offense or the handling of all by the Shanahan's described in anything other than....extraordinary.
I don't really get all the...Negativity?

CultBrennan59 · 10-26-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

^^

Translation: Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly RG3 is saving both the Shanahans' asses from total failure with the Redskins.

I still don't really know whether to take the Mike and/or Kyle apologists serious. Like, I suspect people do it because they liked Mike from his Denver days, or have a personal liking for them somehow, or just want to f*ck with me. And those are good reasons. But when you have a regime that's done as much damage to one side of the ball (defense) as it has to the other side (offense), and the offense didn't get any better until arguably the most dynamic talent pro football has ever seen arrived (and then play-calling/play-design is still an issue)...well, I just don't get the love.

But whatevs, we've all seen stranger things.

Oh I agree that RG3 is saving the shanahans asses. Mike was only good with Elway. Simple as that.

The Goat · 10-26-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Playing the option is what RG3 is most comfortable with. When we play more traditional, he looks more pedestrian. Why? Because he's not up to speed yet with that sort of style. He'll get there in time, but for right now they have crafted the offense around his strengths and its paid huge dividends. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would knock the Shanahans for what they have done with RG3. He's been the rookie of the week 3 times, the offense is near the top of the league in yardage and points... all with a rookie QB and RB. Sorry Goat but your coming off as a hater. Plain and simple. I've yet to read any analysis from guys like John Keim or Rich Campbell that agrees with your views regarding any glaring problems with Kyle's play calling, or any other noticeable issues with the offensive schemes... at all.

I don't pay attention to what the mainstream media (be it political, sports, or otherwise) says. Too much money, business, etc wrapped into anything associated with NBC, Fox, ESPN, NFLN. For instance, RG3 is to a very large degree a "brand" the NFL and all associated parties want to promote i.e. I would never expect "them" to point out plays getting blown up because the opposing defense read it before the ball was snapped.

What I would point to, are some pretty insightful folks around here (not talking about myself here) who have pointed out the really, really questionable play-calls, play-designs. I think I see more of them, that's all. And the fact is Mike and Kyle, couldn't do ANYTHING with the offense w/o Griffin.

My intuition is that we'd probably have a bit more intelligent discussion/debate here if the Shanny regime doubters didn't get sh!t on, called stupid etc etc. I honestly wondered if that's why GTripp stopped contributing.

But again, whatevs, I don't really care if/when folks disagree w/ me, and that's why I continue to post and disagree when I want to. Not to say I haven't been wrong many a time about the Skins and lot's of other things. I admitted to being wrong when Landry had a good season w/ us, or was it half a season? And if someone named Shanahan starts winning in Washington I'll admit to being wrong on that too.

Mattyk · 10-26-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Oh I agree that RG3 is saving the shanahans asses. Mike was only good with Elway. Simple as that.

Right, because he didn't win any games with guys like Plummer or Griese.

How many SBs did Elway win without Shanahan?

The Goat · 10-26-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Right, because he didn't win any games with guys like Plummer or Griese.

How many SBs did Elway win without Shanahan?

Better question: how many SBs did Elway appear in w/o Shanahan? And Shanahan w/o Elway?

...pretty obvious who was the bigger contributor to success in Denver.

Mattyk · 10-26-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Better question: how many SBs did Elway appear in w/o Shanahan? And Shanahan w/o Elway?

...pretty obvious who was the bigger contributor to success in Denver.

I'll take wins over appearances any day. 2-0 is better than 2-4.

Mattyk · 10-26-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't pay attention to what the mainstream media (be it political, sports, or otherwise) says. Too much money, business, etc wrapped into anything associated with NBC, Fox, ESPN, NFLN. For instance, RG3 is to a very large degree a "brand" the NFL and all associated parties want to promote i.e. I would never expect "them" to point out plays getting blown up because the opposing defense read it before the ball was snapped.

What I would point to, are some pretty insightful folks around here (not talking about myself here) who have pointed out the really, really questionable play-calls, play-designs. I think I see more of them, that's all. And the fact is Mike and Kyle, couldn't do ANYTHING with the offense w/o Griffin.

My intuition is that we'd probably have a bit more intelligent discussion/debate here if the Shanny regime doubters didn't get sh!t on, called stupid etc etc. I honestly wondered if that's why GTripp stopped contributing.

But again, whatevs, I don't really care if/when folks disagree w/ me, and that's why I continue to post and disagree when I want to. Not to say I haven't been wrong many a time about the Skins and lot's of other things. I admitted to being wrong when Landry had a good season w/ us, or was it half a season? And if someone named Shanahan starts winning in Washington I'll admit to being wrong on that too.

Spare me the woe is me routine. You're just as guilty tossing out the "apologists" BS every chance you get.

Keim and Campbell have no affiliation with the team and yet as we've seen with the Post in recent years, the local media aren't afraid of going toe to toe with the Redskins or tossing out harsh criticisms. If there really was a big issue with the play calling or schemes, I have to believe someone, anyone, out there in the media would have picked up on it by now. But yeah, I'm sure you with your DVR have cracked the case and really know what's going on behind the scenes. The proof is in the numbers, #3 in total offense, #5 in PPG. If you want to blast Shanahan for his personnel decisions on defense, fine, I have no problem there. But they clearly know what they're doing on offense now that they have a legit weapon at QB. Give credit where it's due, that's all I'm saying.

And let GTripp talk for himself. He has plenty of fans here.

10-26-2012, 08:58 PM	#318
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley Hey JR, you're on my ignore list so don't know what you posted but probably responded to me somehow?? I didn't mean to start another debate about the Shanahans or anything along those lines. Been trying to leave that alone as best I can resist lol and let the results (I go by wins and losses, btw) speak for themselves. Aight...that's it and that's all man. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

10-26-2012, 09:11 PM	#319
redskin29633 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 151	Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley Fellows, I feel your pain. Some like Shanahan, some don't. Some wanted Cooley back; others, not so much. It must be election season. The other side is wrong and the other guy is a liar! We have just transported those vibes to the Warpath. No compromise! As for me, I can't let go of my fav, so I say welcome back Chris Cooley. Supposedly Chris is in great shape. I hope he makes a postive impact, and I beleive he will. I seriously doubt that any of the three can cover for Davis, but combined, maybe the TE position will be more positive than negative as the Redskins march through a turn-around season. Beat the Steelers! HTTR

10-26-2012, 09:18 PM	#320
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley Now..now fellas. Don't let him get your Goat. Ahaha...get it? Get it? Thank you very much! __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

10-26-2012, 09:24 PM	#321
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,378	Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley I say, the Offense is scoring like 30 PPG? Don't worry....be happy! The organization is on to something good here---HTTR! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

10-26-2012, 09:38 PM	#322
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley Playing the option is what RG3 is most comfortable with. When we play more traditional, he looks more pedestrian. Why? Because he's not up to speed yet with that sort of style. He'll get there in time, but for right now they have crafted the offense around his strengths and its paid huge dividends. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would knock the Shanahans for what they have done with RG3. He's been the rookie of the week 3 times, the offense is near the top of the league in yardage and points... all with a rookie QB and RB. Sorry Goat but your coming off as a hater. Plain and simple. I've yet to read any analysis from guys like John Keim or Rich Campbell that agrees with your views regarding any glaring problems with Kyle's play calling, or any other noticeable issues with the offensive schemes... at all. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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