Skins/Giants post game thread

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Shanahan has a tremendous pedigree -- two superbowls, countless AFC championship appearances etc. None of that matters. His record with the Redskins: 14-25, two 4th place finishes. I don't want to go back to the days of firing head coaches every 8 games and turning an NFL franchise around in 2 seasons is exceedingly difficult but Shanahan has been worse: he whiffed on McNabb and went into last season with Rex Grossman/John Beck as the starter.

Let's talk about this season -- the defense has been an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, they have a lot of picks and 3 defensive TDs but if they were even average, the team would be 5-2 if not better. It's year 3!!! At this point, the team should have been a quarterback away -- RG3 should have been the final piece of the puzzle. Shanahan/Allen deserve kudos for bringing him and Alfred Morris into the fold. H/e, he has put together a defense that made Sam Bradford and Danny Amendola look like Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. That is just inexcusable and he has to make some adjustments fast.

Well to be fair..The defense has been missing 4-5 starters all year long.

Merriweather
Jackson
Carriker
Orackpo
Cedric Griffin (Just got back today, and actually played really good)

Hard to tell how good this defense can be with all the pieces, or even half of those missing ones...

We do need a FS, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't address it in FA.

[Kindoy]

All i know is next year our top draft pick should be used on the best defensive back available, followed by either two corners or a corner and a safety somewhere in the other rounds of that draft. We should end up with a safety and two corners. Our DB's are out weakest unit BY FAR.

Hopefully our safeties look something like:
1. Merriweather
2. Gomes
3. Rookie
4. Doughty
5. Bernstine

And our corners look like:
1. Hall
2. Griffin
3. Crawford
4. Minnifield
5. Free Agent
6. Rookie
(with another rookie on the PS)

If its possible to carry that many it'd be nice. Even though i don't particularly like Doughty, he's a valuable back up (especially in times like these). I know the corners would be young, but overhaul is needed.

P.S. A new RT would be nice, wherever he may come from. Those rolling roundhouse kicks from Polombus are not cutting it.

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Well to be fair..The defense has been missing 4-5 starters all year long.

Merriweather
Jackson
Carriker
Orackpo
Cedric Griffin (Just got back today, and actually played really good)

Hard to tell how good this defense can be with all the pieces, or even half of those missing ones...

We do need a FS, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't address it in FA.

I think we can give Haz a break for Orakpo and Carriker being out as they were legitimate starters and producers. But Merriweather, Jackson, and even C.Griffin were either backups or disappointments prior to signing here. They likely would have been better than what the team currently has, but probably not a lot.

Coaching is also about making adjustments depending on personnel or game situations. Realizing a player's strengthes and weaknesses, and then utilizing those positive assets while minimizing the negative ones. I think it is fair to say that Haslett has maximized the weaknesses in the secondary for other teams to freely exploit.

DaShon Goldson isn't leaving San Fran in my opinion, but Jarius Byrd will leave Buffalo for a reasonable price. He should be a high priority this off season. Several good cornerbacks will also be available.

In my opinion, the team should draft offense, and sign free agents for defense. Free agents usually give a faster rate of return, while draftees can be groomed along with RGlll for longer term planning and cohesion.

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I think Robert would be Genuinely....insulted (and possibly amused) by your suggestion.

Well, I can't climb into anyone else's head, but it would be a normal human reaction to be considerably upset by today's loss and the way this season is playing out. Wouldn't you agree that it is very possible that Griffin feels let down by the team in general, with the front office specifically, and that the pressure on him to produce is unnecessarily high? Even if he never would admit such?

Of course, he is a rookie, and he was in the same situation at Baylor, so maybe he's ok with it.

[AnonEmouse]

I haven't posted on here for a while, so feel free to tell me to shut up.

Here in the UK, I've only seen 1 full Skins game, but thanks to Redzone, I get to see some. The Skins game was on a lot last night, and it seemed to me, the problems were:

1) No pass rush - of course with Rak and Carriker out not a surprise.
2) Pass D leaving BIG holes.
3) Fumbles. The INT was dumb, but you know there will be a few, especially from a rookie QB, but the fumbles (especially Moss') were so untimely.

For me, the biggest single mistake was by Williams on the TD to Cruz. He totally mis played the man and got caught flat footed. He should have been over the top on that and shutting it down deep. Yes, you can't really play cover 3 when you are trying to stop them from getting a FG with over a minute left, but you have to think protect deep first, so that even if you give up a gain, you don't give up a TD. Simply dumb.

Losing Davis will hurt, but its not like Paulsen didn't step up, and having Cooley back in the fold will help. Garcon has to get healthy for after the bye, so we have 2 deep threats. Only way to win more than we lose now is to outscore other teams, so we need scoring threats back on the team.

[AnonEmouse]

PS, to the Shanny haters, I'd suggest he has a 4 year plan. Build a good O, then repair the D.

He has Rak & Kerrigan. He needs a true monster pass rusher or NT on the line and 2 good pick ups in the secondary. That's all it would take to become a good D. We have a number of starters out, like the Ravens, and look at how they are doing.

Come on, can anyone honestly say after last season we'd look this competitive 7 games in and a decimated roster?

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by jdc65

I think we can give Haz a break for Orakpo and Carriker being out as they were legitimate starters and producers. But Merriweather, Jackson, and even C.Griffin were either backups or disappointments prior to signing here. They likely would have been better than what the team currently has, but probably not a lot.

Coaching is also about making adjustments depending on personnel or game situations. Realizing a player's strengthes and weaknesses, and then utilizing those positive assets while minimizing the negative ones. I think it is fair to say that Haslett has maximized the weaknesses in the secondary for other teams to freely exploit.

DaShon Goldson isn't leaving San Fran in my opinion, but Jarius Byrd will leave Buffalo for a reasonable price. He should be a high priority this off season. Several good cornerbacks will also be available.

In my opinion, the team should draft offense, and sign free agents for defense. Free agents usually give a faster rate of return, while draftees can be groomed along with RGlll for longer term planning and cohesion.

While I understand Merriweather and Jackson are no Ed Reeds, i'd consider them head and shoulders above what we have going now. Meriweather was in the pro bowl only a couple of years ago and Tanard Jackson has never been a slouch on the field - just a basket case off it. Call me crazy but i think our defense would look a whole lot better with those two in the mix.

[Mechanix544]

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Fact is, our secondary (patchwork gang) is absolutely horrendous. Whoever said that they are actually playing well this season hasn't been watching the games I've been watching. B Merriweather and T Jackson would definitely be an upgrade, but Im not sure it would put us as a middle of the pack defense even...........we need youth and talent at that position, and with the league a pass happy league, those guys are worth a premium, and its hard as heck to find those diamonds in the rough. Something needs to happen, that much is for sure. It feels as if any college program with a competent QB could suit up and throw all over our asses, pick us apart.

[Mechanix544]

While I think Shanahan needs to go, I still tend to not want to see any knee jerk reactions this year. The secondary is a mess. He has proven that he can build a good offense around a good player and tailor it to said player. Lets now give him one more year to get the defense back on track. Cutting bait right now would be disastrous, but I believe that RG3's performance has ensured that Shanahan will be around a bit longer than some people would like. I think he is vastly overrated, but I am not above getting behind the man and rooting for him to become what he once was. But over three years in, and our defense completely changed and in shambles, the patience is starting to wear a bit thin. I am a realist, but above that, I am a redskins fan, and I wish him the best. Now Jim Haslett, on the other hand.............

[irish]

You cant turn over the ball as much as the Skins did and expect to win but with that said they were very much in position to win that game the the secondary let one go straight through them. My goat horns go to the secondary.

[REDSKINS4ever]

I just can't get over the way the defensive unit has regressed. The Redskins have gone up against some pretty good quarterbacks every week so far, but the defensive backfield is gift wrapping too many TD catches to the opposing offenses.

[InsanePianist]

Goat horns to our receivers. What a pathetic way to give them the game, Moss.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This one is tough to take. But did anyone really trust our defense when NY got the ball back at the end? But I'll give them some credit. They get turnovers to make up for their awful play. The two biggest plays of the game was that leg whip dog shit call, and the illegal shift. I didn't see anything on either call. And I hate to call out the refs but those two calls sucked shit and perhaps costed us the game.

Not at all; with our defensive history of late coupled with Manning's 4th quarter heroics of late, a score was pretty much guaranteed. As a matter of fact I was a little relieved that the Skins gave up the TD as quickly as they did so as to give the offense a chance to score in the end.

[Coff]

Here are my postgame thoughts:
The future always looks bleaker after a loss, but two decades of incompetence does justify pessimism. I’m worried that this team will never be good for RGIII. It’s not like the skill level on the team is going to improve anytime soon. The skins don’t have a first round draft pick until 2015, and with the salary cap penalty they have little room to improve through free agency. The overall skill on the team is likely to decrease over the next two seasons. No matter how good RGIII is, I question the patience of Redskins fans if—after three seasons—he still hasn’t captained a winning team. And it’s a slippery slope once fans start questioning the QB. But of course, that’s getting a little bit ahead of things. The main point I have is this: even with one of the best QBs in the league, it’s possible that a team can be subpar, and with the salary cap situation, the draft picks situation, and the fact that the FO hasn’t been entirely competent even in the best of situations, there is a possibility that the Redskins can—for years—be a team with the one of the best QBs in the league and not be a winning team .

[Sonny9TD]

Mike Ditka just ripped the Redskins defensive scheme. Basically calling out Haslett for letting that last play unfold as it did..