Skins/Giants post game thread

[Jayroc24]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Interesting take on the Giants game-winning TD by Chris Russell:

***On the game-winning TD pass from Eli Manning to Victor Cruz - the Redskins had double coverage and Cruz with his blazing speed just split Josh Wilson and Madieu Williams. It happens. It's not Jim Haslett's fault, and I will say this - it's not even Josh Wilson or Madieu Williams fault. It's just a great talent in Cruz who was stifled all day, making a great play in rhythm with his QB, Eli Manning. Oh and there is this - these guys won a Super Bowl last year, and Eli has won two -- tip your cap to them -- champions make big plays when they need them the most.

That is a fair statement.... It just doesnt make the pain go away...

[CRedskinsRule]

What if:

What if Moss had stopped at the 1 yard line. And we could have run more time off the clock?

[skinsfan69]

All the Shanahan bashing is ridiculous. He's made his mistakes but I think he's got this team on the right track. Blowing it up after this year would be the worst thing we could do. But I would like to see him get a new D-coordinator.

[SmootSmack]

Well, here are my quick thoughts (editor's note: I'll bring "Smoot Lays the Smack Down" when Meriweather, Garcon or Brown return)

RG3: The scramble and thrown on 4th and 10 was incredible. Clearly showed his athletic ability. But more importantly, that's the type of play that more often than not a rookie QB loses sense of where he is and crosses the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball. Good presence of mind on his part. But he can't be absolved for the TOs. The fumble looked like poor awareness on his part. The INT to Paulsen looked like a miscommunication between the two of them. Probably doesn't happen with Davis in there.

Kyle Shanahan: Think he's insanely talented and he'd be missed. But his problem, which I've said before, is that he thinks too hard sometimes. Run on 3rd down? No problem with that. The Redskins had been showing an inability to hold onto the ball and you want to stay in FG range so if you can get 3 and hold them to 3 you're still just down 7. Run an option? Ok, that's a bit of a stretch (no pun intended) but we have the talent to pull it off. Run an option with Niles Paul at that point in the game? That's thinking too hard. That's "they don't expect this so I'll fool them with this" Sometimes you gotta just go with the most obvious play and personnel and execute. Sometimes you gotta just rely on the brawns and not the brains.

Turnovers: The turnovers were terrible but I have a hard time getting worked up over them, because twice we got the ball right back on our turnovers. Heck of an athletic play by Rob Jackson on his INT by the way.

Secondary: I can't really blame the scheme in this scenario. Williams simply made a poor play.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

What if:

What if Moss had stopped at the 1 yard line. And we could have run more time off the clock?

As Moss crossed the goal line I shouted, "No! We scored too fast!"

[BigHairedAristocrat]

This is essentially the same secondary we had last year, so why were they so much better last year?

[KI Skins Fan]

I know that it is weak to blame the officials but I'm going to make an exception this time. IMO, poor officiating cost us this game because we should have been ahead by more than a TD going into the 4th Qtr. If we had been ahead at that time, I think RGIII and Morris would have kept us there.

The procedure call on Fred Davis in the 2nd Qtr was as nit-picking as it gets and it cost us a TD. Then, the phantom leg-whipping call on Tyler Palumbus cost us a 1st Down at the Giants 12-yard line. The supposed foul by Palumbus was far away from the play and he never even touched the defensive player. That's between 7-14 points taken away by poor officiating.

Meanwhile, the Giants' RT had a choke hold on Kerrigan on pass plays all game long but that was never called.

The outrageous call on Palumbus was the turning point of the game. I thought that Mike Shanahan should have given the officials an earful after the TD was called back just to give them something to think about for the rest of the game. If he had, perhaps the phantom foul on Palumbus wouldn't have been called.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

As Moss crossed the goal line I shouted, "No! We scored too fast!"

I said the same thing.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This is essentially the same secondary we had last year, so why were they so much better last year?

Carriker and Orakpo were healthy. And we had my main man Westbrook

Also, I should add that letting the Giants go 8-12 on 3rd down was absurd.

You gotta score TDs though. Last week a big reason we won was that the Vikings settled for FGs. This past weekend we did

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I know that it is weak to blame the officials but I'm going to make an exception this time. IMO, poor officiating cost us this game because we should have been ahead by more than a TD going into the 4th Qtr. If we had been ahead at that time, I think RGIII and Morris would have kept us there.

The procedure call on Fred Davis in the 2nd Qtr was as nit-picking as it gets and it cost us a TD. Then, the phantom leg-whipping call on Tyler Palumbus cost us a 1st Down at the Giants 12-yard line. The supposed foul by Palumbus was far away from the play and he never even touched the defensive player. That's between 7-14 points taken away by poor officiating.

Meanwhile, the Giants' RT had a choke hold on Kerrigan on pass plays all game long but that was never called.

The outrageous call on Palumbus was the turning point of the game. I thought that Mike Shanahan should have given the officials an earful after the TD was called back just to give them something to think about for the rest of the game. If he had, perhaps the phantom foul on Palumbus wouldn't have been called.

The procedure call was definitely lame.

The leg whip, eh, he did stick his leg up as he rolled. That's going to be called when the refs see it. It wasn't totally egregious but I can understand that one.

[Mattyk]

RG3 Report: Giants 27, Redskins 23 | WashingtonExaminer.com

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Carriker and Orakpo were healthy. And we had my main man Westbrook

Also, I should add that letting the Giants go 8-12 on 3rd down was absurd.

You gotta score TDs though. Last week a big reason we won was that the Vikings settled for FGs. This past weekend we did

They were just as bad when Carriker and Orakpo were playing this year, although thats an admittedly smaller sample size. Could it be related to raheems scheme/coaching?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

They were just as bad when Carriker and Orakpo were playing this year, although thats an admittedly smaller sample size. Could it be related to raheems scheme/coaching?

Well Raheem won't be coaching the secondary next year so it won't be an issue for too long...

But really, I don't think it's related to Raheem. The only thing I guess I'd put on him is he vouched for Tanard Jackson. But that's more so Tanard letting him down I suppose

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well Raheem won't be coaching the secondary next year so it won't be an issue for too long...

But really, I don't think it's related to Raheem. The only thing I guess I'd put on him is he vouched for Tanard Jackson. But that's more so Tanard letting him down I suppose

I'm going to assume Raheem is either going to get fired (because Haslett feels threatened by him), or the whole defensive coaching staff is getting canned, or he got a job offer from a college team or something since no NFL team would probably give him a coordinator job based off how the secondary is playing right now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm going to assume Raheem is either going to get fired (because Haslett feels threatened by him), or the whole defensive coaching staff is getting canned, or he got a job offer from a college team or something since no NFL team would probably give him a coordinator job based off how the secondary is playing right now.

Assume what you'd like