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Old 10-22-2012, 07:46 AM   #46
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Landry? Landry was a bum. Another wasted 1st round Cerratto pick. Landry can't cover worth a damn.
so was carlos rogers he would have stayed but he wasnt in haslets plan
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:22 AM   #47
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so was carlos rogers he would have stayed but he wasnt in haslets plan
I don't want to go through the whole Carlos Rogers discussion again, but the Redskins weren't in Carlos Rogers' plan as well. He left for SF for the same money that the Redskins were offering him.
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You know what an awesome secondary would look like?

Champ Bailey - CB
Carlos Rogers -CB
D. Hall - Nickel
Sean Taylor - FS
Ryan Clark- SS

Man that would bring a tear to any D. Cordinator's eye.
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:28 AM   #49
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A better secondary, with all of these people in their primes:

Champ Bailey - CB
Shawn Springs - CB
D. Hall - Nickel CB
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Ryan Clark - SS
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You win superbowls around a quarterback, offense linemen and a passrushe. Before eric Berry was injured he was a beast of course the chiefs have him playing out of position but Trent Williams is playing at a pro bowl level. Of course individual Olinemen are a little overrated (Giants are a perfect example of that) but still Trent Williams has ben playing great.
Agreed. In recent years teams like the Steelers and Giants have won the Super Bowl with average secondaries. In fact you go back through 2000 and you'll see the common thread among every Super Bowl winner save the Ravens (who made up for it with possibly the greatest defense of all time) was a great pass rush and great QB play.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:01 AM   #51
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OK, a lot of hot under the collar commenting here, so I will try to be objective.

Last post makes a good point, but look at the factor here - Giants and Steelers have good pass rush (and with Harrison out, look how average the Steelers were). If you give the QB all day to pass, he will find someone open.We've lost 2 good D players early in the season, and even then, we weren't generating terrific pass rush. We have to take away the opposition QB time in the pocket to help the secondary.

As for the secondary, yes they are weak, but we also have a weak LB corps who can't cover underneath in zone. Williams was guilty on that last play. Never mind the 25yd line up, he came up on a pass play instead of keeping his depth, and got caught flat footted. Only direction Cruz was going was downfield, so why step up? But in the first place why was Cruz given a free lane off the line? No bump or chip on him by a CB or pass rushing LB? It wasn't all on the secondary, but they didn't cover themselves in glory.

And no, you can't blame the D for the TO's on O. There were IMHO too many botched handoffs (RGIII covered up one by gaining yardage), but RGIII didn't allow the lineman through to strip sack him and Moss fumbled away a perfectly good catch, so lets not dump it all on RGIII either.

This is a team that's forming an identity. It takes time unless you get supremely lucky with talent. Look at our injury list and tell me we can go toe to toe with the Giants on paper? No, but we played them close and nearly came out with the win. Lets get some perspective here and look at the bright future instead of the dim and gloomy past. We're 3-4, not 0-7, so lets see what we can do with 9 games left. After that we can look at pointing fingers.
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Some one tell me why our team does not bump guys at the line of scrimmage? We seem to give every WR a clear shot to their route. Would not bumping a guy at the line give more time for the pass rush to get there because it would slow down the development of the pass routes? I'm not a football person, but this seems like it would help so much.
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Some one tell me why our team does not bump guys at the line of scrimmage? We seem to give every WR a clear shot to their route. Would not bumping a guy at the line give more time for the pass rush to get there because it would slow down the development of the pass routes? I'm not a football person, but this seems like it would help so much.
I think, but don't know for sure, that it's because our corners wouldn't be able to recover after the jam, especially with fast WR's.
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OK, a lot of hot under the collar commenting here, so I will try to be objective.

Last post makes a good point, but look at the factor here - Giants and Steelers have good pass rush (and with Harrison out, look how average the Steelers were). If you give the QB all day to pass, he will find someone open.We've lost 2 good D players early in the season, and even then, we weren't generating terrific pass rush. We have to take away the opposition QB time in the pocket to help the secondary.

As for the secondary, yes they are weak, but we also have a weak LB corps who can't cover underneath in zone. Williams was guilty on that last play. Never mind the 25yd line up, he came up on a pass play instead of keeping his depth, and got caught flat footted. Only direction Cruz was going was downfield, so why step up? But in the first place why was Cruz given a free lane off the line? No bump or chip on him by a CB or pass rushing LB? It wasn't all on the secondary, but they didn't cover themselves in glory.

And no, you can't blame the D for the TO's on O. There were IMHO too many botched handoffs (RGIII covered up one by gaining yardage), but RGIII didn't allow the lineman through to strip sack him and Moss fumbled away a perfectly good catch, so lets not dump it all on RGIII either.

This is a team that's forming an identity. It takes time unless you get supremely lucky with talent. Look at our injury list and tell me we can go toe to toe with the Giants on paper? No, but we played them close and nearly came out with the win. Lets get some perspective here and look at the bright future instead of the dim and gloomy past. We're 3-4, not 0-7, so lets see what we can do with 9 games left. After that we can look at pointing fingers.

Pretty much spot on,

We lost alot of cap space, and had to pick and choose which positions to address this past offseason. Hopefully next year we can work on the secondary more. We never pressured Eli enough on his throws, and with this secondary its basicly a necessity on every single throw.

This secondary isn't fast enough to bump guys on the line, we aren't collapsing the pocket either. The steelers are scheming for their own personnel issues, less blitzing this year.
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Some one tell me why our team does not bump guys at the line of scrimmage? We seem to give every WR a clear shot to their route. Would not bumping a guy at the line give more time for the pass rush to get there because it would slow down the development of the pass routes? I'm not a football person, but this seems like it would help so much.
Adding to CRedskins' response, we have terrible safety play as well and our secondary doesn't communicate well. You can bump WRs at the LOS if you have good coverage up top with your safeties. But in most cases either a) our safeties our not fast enough/good enough to cover fast WRs and b) lack of communication could lead to a WR being wide open (which happens a lot with our team).
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Gotta love Warpath after a loss. lol. Someone always needs and should get fired. I can only imagine if some of you ran the Redskins. You'd be WAY WORSE than Dan Snyder ever was/is. lol
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Raheem Morris isn't the problem, it's a lack of talent in the secondary. We never should have opened the vault for D. Hall, and should have reserved that money for Carlos Rogers, our best cover corner over the last 5 years. Perhaps Brandon Meriweather will help, but we knew that the secondary was weak, and his loss so far has made that even more clear.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:26 AM   #58
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Oh boy, not again with this Hall/Rogers argument
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Which opens the door for the " what if Sean Taylor was still with us?" Seriously though - it is what five years layer and I think we missed him more yesterday than ever.


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Old 10-22-2012, 11:36 AM   #60
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This is a talent problem. End of discussion. But at least now since we have an offense, and one that's not necessarily high priced, we can grab our db's next year. I'd like to see us sign a younger, safety free agent that's at least solid, maybe not a star but solid, and then draft for depth and maybe find a late round winner. I also want Sean Taylor to rise from the grave.
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