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Samari or Freddy?

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Smoot 38 65.52%
Harris 4 6.90%
Wilds 5 8.62%
Rolle 7 12.07%
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Old 02-28-2005, 02:53 PM   #76
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Re: Samari or Freddy?

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the aricle said what Rolle might want in a 15mil bonus who knows if that what we are offering, and Lets not forget how Williams makes player better. Rolle's asking price may go down if he know's that Williams will make him better
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Old 02-28-2005, 02:59 PM   #77
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Re: Samari or Freddy?

Rolle is a top 10 corner, sorry guys but Smoot isn't quite there yet. More like top 15.

If Smoot and Rolle are both looking for the same money, Rolle is the better player therefore the better value.

Don't forget Williams coached Rolle and probably feels he's a better fit in his defense. That's the only thing that's making me feel ok about this deal.

If Williams wants Rolle and we have to let Smoot walk, I'm ok with that if that's what Coach Williams wants. Nobody can question his ability to put together a top notch defense.
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Old 02-28-2005, 03:04 PM   #78
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Rolle is 28 and Smoot is 26, so let's stop with the silly older player comments, it's not like Rolle is 38, that would be a concern. 2 years is not a concern in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 02-28-2005, 03:13 PM   #79
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Re: Samari or Freddy?

Matty - I feel sending the leader of your defense packing rarely results in a good outcome.
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Old 02-28-2005, 03:18 PM   #80
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The whole story will be different 24 hours from now and what are the reports about samuels getting the biggest signing bonus in Redskins history?( in REDSKINS history that must be the biggest bonus ever!!)

NE WAYS i got the best basketball in the world signed by the entire maryland basketball team i need to stare at it for a while then give it as a present........ MAYBE!
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Old 02-28-2005, 03:48 PM   #81
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what about ty law ? if we are going to spend 10s of millions y not?

Does anyone else feel we can spend this money in a more needed place?
i mean 15 million can be split a lot of ways!
we gotz to let things play out
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Old 02-28-2005, 03:54 PM   #82
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Daseal nailed it on the head. Sending off your leader on defense will never EVER result in a good outcome. Rolle will demand at least 12 mill in a signing bonus thats a minimum. If Smoot goes we really have no true solid leader on defense. LaVar can't do it we have seen it before and he has failed. Then you have Pierce who did a wonderful job and he may not be here. Then it goes to a player who has only been with the team for 1 year Springs. This would be his first time carrying a team I do not know if he can do it or not. I have said it before and will keep saying it. Danny boy can't keep doing this. We keep giving money that honestly I don't know where it comes from. We are already on a sinking ship with all of our contracts and money we have to shell out. And yet we keep throwing it out like it doesn't even matter. At least I would repsect giving a player who has been here his whole career the money and some FA. MAN I JUST LOVE THE REDSKINS OFFSEASONS, FILLED WITH SUCH EXCITEMENT!!!
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Old 02-28-2005, 04:15 PM   #83
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where did lavar fail go to "return of lavar" read the epic battle of lavar and his values. its a long thread but full of oposition. I was on the side of lavar and don't understand why everyone feels we do not need him any more. I don't want to open up a can of worms but why is about half of us not on his side. He got hurt and we were better a year, on the other thread some said we were better because we didn't have him. Many didn't go that far but most were against him in some way. i don't know where he failed or where everyone felt that he wasn't a team leader.

Springs is a leader regardless of his time. T.O is a leader w/ 1 year i would say. Springs does the monday night show on comcast and he was devoted to the fans does this make him a leader, Griffin is also a leader you failed to mention but he has been here for a year too. Also how do you know who is the leader, what makes you feel that arrington is not the leader? if there is a reason i am willing to listen but i don't know where "he has failed"
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Matty - I feel sending the leader of your defense packing rarely results in a good outcome.
Saying he is the leader of the defense is a little subjective and frankly I agree with someone who said earlier that this leadership talk is a little overrated.

Players understand the business side of things, and I think it was Pierce who said that the guys on defense are used to the constant changes.

I love Smoot and the way he plays with such heart, but should we pay him top 5 corner type of money just for the sake of holding on to a 'leader'?
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I wouldn't say for the sake of a "leader" but I would say for the sake of someone who we KNOW what we are getting. There's no guarantee that Rolle would pan out.
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And I also feel that Smoot has done nothing but get better in recent years.
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where did lavar fail go to "return of lavar" read the epic battle of lavar and his values. its a long thread but full of oposition. I was on the side of lavar and don't understand why everyone feels we do not need him any more. I don't want to open up a can of worms but why is about half of us not on his side. He got hurt and we were better a year, on the other thread some said we were better because we didn't have him. Many didn't go that far but most were against him in some way. i don't know where he failed or where everyone felt that he wasn't a team leader.

Springs is a leader regardless of his time. T.O is a leader w/ 1 year i would say. Springs does the monday night show on comcast and he was devoted to the fans does this make him a leader, Griffin is also a leader you failed to mention but he has been here for a year too. Also how do you know who is the leader, what makes you feel that arrington is not the leader? if there is a reason i am willing to listen but i don't know where "he has failed"
I agree Bigskin. Good post.
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I concur Matty, I believe William's likes Smoot, but for the same money likes Rolle a lot more, Daesel makes a good point about getting rid of a leader on defense, but a true leader lead's with his action's, besides that's what Gibb's is for, I have alway's felt verbal leader's are way overated, but I do understand his sentiment for Smoot as I have as well, but $10mil for Smoot is a very, very nice offer, we can't pay him like an elite CB because he is not. Rolle on the other hand is and elite CB. Perhap's this is being done to persuade Smoot to sign who know's, but if Smoot want's to make this about money after turning down a $10mil signing bonus, then we are showing no disloyalty by looking for the best bang for the buck.
very close to my opinion, i want smoot back but again i say there is a reason why williams is behind getting rolle. I mean if smoot doesn't want to sign i don't understand how we are turning our backs on him. I said before in other threads that i am all for lobbing but 32 hours from the dead line is not lobbing it is being stubborn, i said that if we didn't budge then it would be smoots job to budge. i don't care how that sounds but someone earlier said that smoot has expressed that he wants to be with us, i don't think he has done that.
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I don't think he has failed either. I think simply him returning next year will add another dimension to our D and provide some much needed turnovers.
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If Smoot goes we really have no true solid leader on defense. LaVar can't do it we have seen it before and he has failed.
Please tell me where LaVar has failed in the past? Unless you have been in the huddle during the game, how do you know who the true leader on our team is? It seems to me that you think Pierce could be one of our leaders next year. Yes, he is one of our best players, but if he can be a "leader" then what makes you think LaVar cant? If you mention the Redskins to anyone outside DC, Im sure most of them will think of LaVar. He is one of the top linebackers who has as much heart as Smoot if not more. I dont understand how our defense will be worse with LaVar in the lineup and why all of a sudden so many of you are against him just because he got hurt. Anyone can be a team leader if they want and I know someone will step up if Smoot leaves.
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