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Old 10-28-2012, 10:44 AM   #16
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I'm just disappointed in our coaching, on defense mostly, but doesn't that fall on Shanny some too because he forced this sillier-by-the-day 3-4 experiment and we're still doing it, w/o the personnel (especially on the d-line) to make it work? I would actually like to give Haslett the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't get the 3-4 and that's why his gameplan/adjustments have been so lacking.
Truthfully, this is one of my biggest issues with Shanny the head coach. Not because he wanted to switch to the 3-4, but because he brought in a coach who hadn't run that scheme in 11 years. Haslett didn't want to run the 3-4, and has been running the 4-3 his entire career since leaving Pittsburgh.

I'm still befuddled why a coach would want to bring in a person to run a scheme that he clearly doesn't want to run or hasn't ran in a decade. To Mike's defense, Haslett wasn't his first choice. I really hope he wasn't even his 3rd or 4th choice to be honest with you. We as fans can say..."why didn't he get X person to do this." Well, that X person has a choice in where he goes, Mike can't force them here. You may had have a situation where coordinator's looked at the talent and decided it wasn't going to go well and either stayed or moved on to another team with better talent.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:02 AM   #17
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Why is the 3-4 being referred to as an experiment? It's not. It's out defense. We have personnel for a 3-4
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The 3-4 isn't the problem right now. It's the secondary and the lack of talent there. It doesn't matter what type of front you play when you can't cover. Plus injuries have hurt the front seven and their ability to bring pressure. Between Orakpo and Carriker they combined for 14.5 sacks last year. Tough to replace that type of production.
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Why is the 3-4 being referred to as an experiment? It's not. It's out defense. We have personnel for a 3-4
Because it's just one more axe to grind for the anti-Shanahan crowd.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:10 AM   #20
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Because it's just one more axe to grind for the anti-Shanahan crowd.

This. If anything, the legit gripe would be the coach he brought in to run the 3-4 scheme, not blaming the scheme itself. If people are going to bitch, at least bitch about the correct issue...lol I would have liked to see his list of coaches he preferred over Haz. Even so, we still lacked the talent on this D and having 4 starters out is crucial. Not too many D's (or offenses) will hold up losing that many starters.
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Honestly, I don't see how this is good for either party unless he truly is 100%. I don't trust this medical staff, haven't since at least 2006. Fletcher apparently has played with this symptom(?) for weeks, according to him.

So perhaps that's why he's been playing so poorly. Perhaps poorly isn't the right word, but he definitely hasn't been his usual self. So if he isn't 100% on the field, not only is he still hurting himself, but he's also hurting the team.

I don't know why, and it just seems like this medical staff waits till something gets severe to look at it, rather than pouncing on it early to prevent problems. Now I know Fletcher doesn't like his information known or even to talk about it, so maybe he's partially at fault, but what about the other players?
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Honestly, I don't see how this is good for either party unless he truly is 100%. I don't trust this medical staff, haven't since at least 2006. Fletcher apparently has played with this symptom(?) for weeks, according to him.

So perhaps that's why he's been playing so poorly. Perhaps poorly isn't the right word, but he definitely hasn't been his usual self. So if he isn't 100% on the field, not only is he still hurting himself, but he's also hurting the team.

I don't know why, and it just seems like this medical staff waits till something gets severe to look at it, rather than pouncing on it early to prevent problems. Now I know Fletcher doesn't like his information known or even to talk about it, so maybe he's partially at fault, but what about the other players?
I can understand our discussions and differences about football stuff -- that's what this forum's all about. (Even though most of us would be hard pressed to distinguish a 3-4 from a 4-3 alignment on any given play)

But I will never understand these kinds of comments on medical matters and making judgments regarding the competence of our medical staff. Just stop it, you have no idea what you're talking about (unless you're an MD, and then you wouldn't make these comments...)

And just what does "what about the other players" mean?
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:09 PM   #23
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If you are referring to diagnosing injuries, rightfully so, I don't know what I'm talking about, but their track record on the other hand is another story.

Adam Archuleta, his back problems magically disappeared when we brought him here in 2006 right? Atogwe magically was 100% healthy when he came here? Even though the Rams had cut him after signing an extension because of injuries? Rogers eyes were good to go right? Landry's Achilles? Pierre Garcons injury which was supposed to keep him out a week max.

Those are just a couple of the MANY examples.

I can keep going. There are way too many things this team misses, some small, some big. Hell didn't Cooley just say he met with the doctor and when asked how his knee was he said "fine" and the doc told good and that he's cleared to play?

Medical staff IS a problem.
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To Matty, JR, NC etc etc: this is what haterade looks like. This is unbridled pessimism.

I'm just disappointed in our coaching, on defense mostly, but doesn't that fall on Shanny some too because he forced this sillier-by-the-day 3-4 experiment and we're still doing it, w/o the personnel (especially on the d-line) to make it work? I would actually like to give Haslett the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't get the 3-4 and that's why his gameplan/adjustments have been so lacking. I'd like to think if we switched back to a 4-3 Haslett, having all his experience with it, would get us back to a top 10-15 D within a season. And I pretty much believe it's possible. I think we have talent on defense.

And I think we have pretty awesome talent on offense. And while we've made good of that talent I pretty much believe we haven't made the best of it. The running game is elite, and tomorrow will likely prove it again. But I think overall, and especially with pass play-calling and design, we're leaving a lot out on the field. The end story stats are elite, but the story in the middle is inconsistency and especially when it counts most i.e. we leave some points on the field and in ways that seem pretty redundant.
Goat, its seems no matter what thread you post in your crush the coaching staff. How does this relate to Fletch starting vs the Steelers?
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It makes today all that more important. ^^
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Why would that make a diff?
4-3 against a non-conference opponent, maybe you rest him.
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I didn't see Fletch every play, but he didn't look himself from what I saw. Still better than anybody except maybe an "on fire" Riley we could put in his place.

Hope he can play well against Carolina, then enjoy the bye.
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The 3-4 isn't the problem right now. It's the secondary and the lack of talent there. It doesn't matter what type of front you play when you can't cover. Plus injuries have hurt the front seven and their ability to bring pressure. Between Orakpo and Carriker they combined for 14.5 sacks last year. Tough to replace that type of production.
They combined for 16.5, last season.
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They combined for 16.5, last season.
Rak had 9
Carriker had 5.5
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Why is the 3-4 being referred to as an experiment? It's not. It's out defense. We have personnel for a 3-4
No. Wrong. We don't have the personnel for the 3-4, which is why our pass rush is practically non existent. And if you say injuries killed our pass rush, then we never had the depth to maintain the 3-4, and that again is just proof we don't have the personnel for it.

But all of that is moot. Our starting squad wasn't, isn't and won't be best suited for the 3-4. We don't have a dominant NT on the roster who can eat up space and consistently collapse the pocket like the Ravens and Steelers do, or successfully shoot the gaps like Ratliff in Dallas. Carriker and Bowen are ok starters, but neither is dominant. And our LBs are not great at coverage, which is an absolute necessity in the 3-4.

But take that same group and switch it to a 4-3 and you're at least middle of the pack. Better run defense, and way better suited to put pressure on the QB. Cofield inside and the next best d tackle. Lots of rotation possible too.

Right now, we'd need pro-bowlers across the secondary to compensate for the near total lack of pass rush. Change the front 7 and the secondary will look average, instead of bottom of the league. But it requires better coaching too. On far too many occasions we see our secondary just flat out of position. Williams was on the Manning to Cruz TD. Other games our DBs are leaving a 10 yard cushion and giving up everything underneath.

With the exception of Carriker, every guy on defense is far better suited for a 4-3 scheme.
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