Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

skinsfaninok · 10-28-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The guy who Griffin reminds me the most of, as a passer, is Philip Rivers.

I honestly think he's more of an Aaron Rodgers and GULP Tony Romo when he is on the move he's deadly and even in the pocket he's great. Why do u say rivers?

GTripp0012 · 10-28-2012, 09:17 PM

Anyway, time for the stats part of this post

Winning Percentage

Mike Tice .492
Norv Turner .487
Dave Wannestedt .485
Jerry Glanville .465
Jim Haslett .435
Rich Kotite .417
Butch Davis .414
Eric Mangini .413
Vince Tobin .394
Bruce Coslet .379
June Jones .379
Mike Shanahan (WAS only) .350
John McKay .333
Mike Nolan .327
Joe Bugel .300

The Goat · 10-28-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Again, picking who would replace him is beyond the scope of the thread. I understand the practicality of the argument that you can fire him and end up hiring another bad coach. I get that. I'm not sure that's much of a defense of the current administration, but I get it.

Anyway, 40 games is not a small sample. It's the average NFL career for a player.

Well, it's pretty hard to limit the scope to ending one regime, but not think about what replaces it.

Somebody made a pretty brilliant observation that RG3 (alone) will attract coaching talent. I think Snyder should look at it this way. We have something very special to offer.

So, to hell with scope. I'd take Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher tomorrow. I'd take Parcells tomorrow too. Outside the legacy coaches you just have to look around the league at teams that are getting it right.

GTripp0012 · 10-28-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I honestly think he's more of an Aaron Rodgers and GULP Tony Romo when he is on the move he's deadly and even in the pocket he's great. Why do u say rivers?

A lot of the throws he makes only Rivers would attempt.

The Goat · 10-28-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Ok, so circular logic begs me to ask the question that if we weren't all that bad, why in the hell did it need rebuilding so horribly. Did we fall off so much from 2008 to 2009? I think the VAST majority of people on this board have been caught saying that the team Shanahan took over in 2009 was quite possibly the most atrocious squad ever to don the B&G. The year prior to Shanahan, our defense was ranked top 10, and while not good, we still churned out 22nd in the league in offense. The point is that he hasn't done much with 3 years here to instill any sort of confidence. RG3, 110 out of 100 people could hit on that pick. Shanahan is coaching here based SOLELY on previous accolades (from the 97 -98 seasons). And it shows.

I'm shocked...that kind of clear logic didn't crash the site

skinsfaninok · 10-28-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A lot of the throws he makes only Rivers would attempt.

I see, but rivers really has been bad last two seasons

53Fan · 10-28-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And for the record, I'm not sure any hot coaching candidate would turn down the ability to coach RG3. If he did, we wouldn't want him anyway.

We definitely wouldn't want him because he'd have to be an idiot.

GTripp0012 · 10-28-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

So, to hell with scope. I'd take Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher tomorrow. I'd take Parcells tomorrow too. Outside the legacy coaches you just have to look around the league at teams that are getting it right.

Aren't you a little nervous that big picture, we'd be making the same mistake there we did with Shanahan.

I think you have to get someone unproven. Not Zorn-level unproven, but maybe Todd Bowles unproven?

SmootSmack · 10-28-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Well, it's pretty hard to limit the scope to ending one regime, but not think about what replaces it.

Somebody made a pretty brilliant observation that RG3 (alone) will attract coaching talent. I think Snyder should look at it this way. We have something very special to offer.

So, to hell with scope. I'd take Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher tomorrow. I'd take Parcells tomorrow too. Outside the legacy coaches you just have to look around the league at teams that are getting it right.

You have a problem with "living off his overrated past" Shanahan, yet you'd instantly go after Cowher or Gruden?

mooby · 10-28-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You have a problem with "living off his overrated past" Shanahan, yet you'd instantly go after Cowher or Gruden?

Yes, because they aren't two bit moron knuckleheaded egotistic sacks of dog shit that the rest of the league has read the book on and knows their moves 2 moves in advance, just running their teams into the ground for no reason. That's the problem with Shanny.

ethat001 · 10-28-2012, 10:07 PM

Why is this such a pressing issue after having one of the best offenses in the league and almost beating the NY Giants last week? Isn't everyone allowed a bad game?

There are two threads on this, but clearly the better question is should Haslett be fired. At least that question would make sense.

DynamiteRave · 10-28-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Ok, so circular logic begs me to ask the question that if we weren't all that bad, why in the hell did it need rebuilding so horribly. Did we fall off so much from 2008 to 2009? I think the VAST majority of people on this board have been caught saying that the team Shanahan took over in 2009 was quite possibly the most atrocious squad ever to don the B&G. The year prior to Shanahan, our defense was ranked top 10, and while not good, we still churned out 22nd in the league in offense. The point is that he hasn't done much with 3 years here to instill any sort of confidence. RG3, 110 out of 100 people could hit on that pick. Shanahan is coaching here based SOLELY on previous accolades (from the 97 -98 seasons). And it shows.

We did fall off in 2009, ending far below .500.

Here comes 2010.

2010 we had bum McNabb
Then we had INT crazy Rexy.
And the Beck experiment.

So we basically didn't have a QB.

Then we had injured plague Portis who was on the downward trek of his career and didn't even play a full season in 2009 or 2010.
Then Larry Johnson who did squat.
Ryan Torain who was the shining spot that year.

We had Moss, our one constant.
Devin Thomas - Bum
Joey Galloway - Was way too old
Roydell Williams - Who??
Armstrong and Banks. Alright. They're not bad.

Our line wasn't horrible or too different from how it is now, except now we don't have 2 liabilities, aka Heyer and Rabach.

Our defense honestly, isn't very different from 2010, there are some major names missing from our current team (Rogers, Landry, HAYNESWORTH).

Which leads me to believe that there is a defensive coaching issue, rather than a head coach issue.

Our offense blew in 2010, we were 6-10, ranked 25th on offense.
Blew in 2011, 5-11, ranked 26th on offense.
Now in 2012, we're currently 3-5 but 5th in offense.

They've done nothing but get better. We added skill, youth and depth. Improvement!

In regards to total defense, yards per game:
2009 we were ranked 10
2010 - 31st
2011 - 13th

And we all know how this year has been.

People are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater, if there's a problem here, it's Haslett, not Shanahan. We are also injury plagued, with little defensive depth.

I'm not a Shanahan apologist by any means, but I don't think he's the real glaring problem here.

skinsfaninok · 10-28-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

We did fall off in 2009, ending far below .500.

Here comes 2010.

2010 we had bum McNabb
Then we had INT crazy Rexy.
And the Beck experiment.

So we basically didn't have a QB.

Then we had injured plague Portis who was on the downward trek of his career and didn't even play a full season in 2009 or 2010.
Then Larry Johnson who did squat.
Ryan Torain who was the shining spot that year.

We had Moss, our one constant.
Devin Thomas - Bum
Joey Galloway - Was way too old
Roydell Williams - Who??
Armstrong and Banks. Alright. They're not bad.

Our line wasn't horrible or too different from how it is now, except now we don't have 2 liabilities, aka Heyer and Rabach.

Our defense honestly, isn't very different from 2010, there are some major names missing from our current team (Rogers, Landry, HAYNESWORTH).

Which leads me to believe that there is a defensive coaching issue, rather than a head coach issue.

Our offense blew in 2010, we were 6-10, ranked 25th on offense.
Blew in 2011, 5-11, ranked 26th on offense.
Now in 2012, we're currently 3-5 but 5th in offense.

They've done nothing but get better. We added skill, youth and depth. Improvement!

In regards to total defense, yards per game:
2009 we were ranked 10
2010 - 31st
2011 - 13th

And we all know how this year has been.

People are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater, if there's a problem here, it's Haslett, not Shanahan. We are also injury plagued, with little defensive depth.

I'm not a Shanahan apologist by any means, but I don't think he's the real glaring problem here.

Good post I agree

Hog1 · 10-28-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Yes, because they aren't two bit moron knuckleheaded egotistic sacks of dog shit that the rest of the league has read the book on and knows their moves 2 moves in advance, just running their teams into the ground for no reason. That's the problem with Shanny.

........Is there nothing more persuasive than well founded, empirically derived logic?

SmootSmack · 10-28-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ethat001

Why is this such a pressing issue after having one of the best offenses in the league and almost beating the NY Giants last week? Isn't everyone allowed a bad game?

There are two threads on this, but clearly the better question is should Haslett be fired. At least that question would make sense.

I don't believe that Shanahan should be fired or that he's been "totally outcoached all season" or that this isn't a "serious football team" or any of that other nonsense. But it's fine if people want to have speculative discussions. I mean why else be on a message board

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10-28-2012, 09:17 PM	#182
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Anyway, time for the stats part of this post Winning Percentage Mike Tice .492 Norv Turner .487 Dave Wannestedt .485 Jerry Glanville .465 Jim Haslett .435 Rich Kotite .417 Butch Davis .414 Eric Mangini .413 Vince Tobin .394 Bruce Coslet .379 June Jones .379 Mike Shanahan (WAS only) .350 John McKay .333 Mike Nolan .327 Joe Bugel .300 __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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ethat001 Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 633	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Why is this such a pressing issue after having one of the best offenses in the league and almost beating the NY Giants last week? Isn't everyone allowed a bad game? There are two threads on this, but clearly the better question is should Haslett be fired. At least that question would make sense.

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