Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

donofriose · 10-29-2012, 02:01 PM

I would give Shanahan one more year since I believe we can all sense improvement on this team. I think next year if he does not make the playoffs, then we have to let him go. 4 years is more than enough time to show improvement. That is 4 draft classes to make your team better. 4 years is how long a coach should be given to improve your team. Also have to judge him on a lot of his questionable moves. Like McNabb, how the secondary was built and everything.

JoeRedskin · 10-29-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think offensively we're talented.

I don't know if you could compile such a list on the defensive end of the ball. (Well minus Cofield, Kerrigan and Bowen, since you threw them on this list)

Speaking of which, you left off Orakpo who I think would fall into that first list.

I agree and yeah, after RGIII, I think Rak and T.Williams are our two most talented players.

Let's see what the D list looks like after this offseason. I suspect changes are in the offing.

donofriose · 10-29-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I agree and yeah, after RGIII, I think Rak and T.Williams are our two most talented players.

Let's see what the D list looks like after this offseason. I suspect changes are in the offing.

I think Kerrigan is also very talented. Hasn't been showing up recently but still very talented.

DynamiteRave · 10-29-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

I think Kerrigan is also very talented. Hasn't been showing up recently but still very talented.

Well I do notice sometimes he's getting mugged when he's rushing off the edge.

Bucket · 10-29-2012, 02:14 PM

I wish we could for once just compare these forums to the real game.

We should fire/ban every person on these forums when they make one bad post, or forget to post once a day. We can even make discussions about it.. Like whole thread titles labeled "Should "so and so" be banned for these posts?"

Would be interesting..

The Goat · 10-29-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deivybaby

Agreed offense been a bit worst every week but not bad its still good.

Our wr. Been not that good other than moss now .

People ovee hype shanny alot we will have another losing season but its bexause we refused to fire haslett last year.

Dude...nearly all your posts belong in the drunk thread.

JoeRedskin · 10-29-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

RG3's not the only talented QB out there. And RG3's not the only reason, contrary to what some believe, this offense has been putting up points. Only an idiot can't appreciate the play designs

Folks out there who think Kyle is not appreciated within the NFL clearly don't read the various insider stuff out there. I have seen several folks (gm's, former gm's and various coaches and former coaches) credit Kyle for his abilities. I have no doubt that, if he so desired, he could find an OC job in several places around the league.

Does that mean he will succeed? No. At the same time, it certainly would seem Kyle is not quite the drooling "Yes Dad" coach some around here hold him out to be.

The Goat · 10-29-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Do those teams know RG -3 isnt part of the package?

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That's excellent

SmootSmack · 10-29-2012, 02:25 PM

See, what did I tell you Punch?

SmootSmack · 10-29-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Chargers would be my guess. Talented QB and RB/WRs/TE in place to run the type of offense he wants.

Not a bad guess actually, makes a lot of sense. But not actually one of the teams I know to have been mentioned

The Goat · 10-29-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

RG3's not the only talented QB out there. And RG3's not the only reason, contrary to what some believe, this offense has been putting up points. Only an idiot can't appreciate the play designs

Also would take an idiot to think our play-calling and play-design hasn't been woefully stupid on several occasions throughout the season. Yesterday was the worst we've seen, but that shouldn't surprise given the pattern over the last two seasons: the offense gets increasingly predictable under Kyle. I'll be surprised if the "interest" in Kyle is very strong by season's end.

But there are a lot of pedestrian coaches out there. Winners are hard to find, and that's why folks like the Shanahans stay employed.

DynamiteRave · 10-29-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Folks out there who think Kyle is not appreciated within the NFL clearly don't read the various insider stuff out there. I have seen several folks (gm's, former gm's and various coaches and former coaches) credit Kyle for his abilities. I have no doubt that, if he so desired, he could find an OC job in several places around the league.

Does that mean he will succeed? No. At the same time, it certainly would seem Kyle is not quite the drooling "Yes Dad" coach some around here hold him out to be.

I think the problem is that Skins fans are finicky, "what have you done for me lately" types. I think Kyle's play calls range between brain dead and genius levels and they fluctuate.

While I'm not crazy about many of the series he calls, I think he does a formidable job trying to call plays that match RG3s skills and keeping other teams off guard. Unfortunately, this isn't Madden and every play call isn't always going to net yards.

I think we could be doing a lot worse.

That said, after seeing RG3 run a 2 minute drill with no play-calls from the coach, why not let him "Peyton Manning" a couple series a game? Too soon in his NFL carreer for that? Bad idea?

SmootSmack · 10-29-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Also would take an idiot to think our play-calling and play-design hasn't been woefully stupid on several occasions throughout the season. Yesterday was the worst we've seen, but that shouldn't surprise given the pattern over the last two seasons: the offense gets increasingly predictable under Kyle. I'll be surprised if the "interest" in Kyle is very strong by season's end.

But there are a lot of pedestrian coaches out there. Winners are hard to find, and that's why folks like the Shanahans stay employed.

I'm not sure you could say predictable. If anything the problem is sometimes lack of predictability. Trying too hard when simple execution is all that matters

But you're right we need winners like Bill Cowher or Jack Del Rio, not pedestrian coaches like Shanahan

GTripp0012 · 10-29-2012, 02:39 PM

Can we at least all agree that we've been at the shanaplan for a really long time now?

I think that if you believe you have seen improvements and want shanny extended and Kyle extended so that they can take a different approach on defense, then fine, we disagree. If you think we need to wait out our results for two more years, then that's the definition of insanity.

punch it in · 10-29-2012, 02:39 PM

Unlike the athletes and coaches we discuss we are not getting paid millions of dollars to post here. If we were i would imagine this would be the case for us as well.

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10-29-2012, 02:01 PM	#331
donofriose Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 708	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I would give Shanahan one more year since I believe we can all sense improvement on this team. I think next year if he does not make the playoffs, then we have to let him go. 4 years is more than enough time to show improvement. That is 4 draft classes to make your team better. 4 years is how long a coach should be given to improve your team. Also have to judge him on a lot of his questionable moves. Like McNabb, how the secondary was built and everything.

10-29-2012, 02:14 PM	#335
Bucket The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 2,136	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I wish we could for once just compare these forums to the real game. We should fire/ban every person on these forums when they make one bad post, or forget to post once a day. We can even make discussions about it.. Like whole thread titles labeled "Should "so and so" be banned for these posts?" Would be interesting.. __________________ HTTR Redskin Fan since '88 Be friends on Twitter! @thecasualhero

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SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,098	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? See, what did I tell you Punch? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-29-2012, 02:39 PM	#344
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Can we at least all agree that we've been at the shanaplan for a really long time now? I think that if you believe you have seen improvements and want shanny extended and Kyle extended so that they can take a different approach on defense, then fine, we disagree. If you think we need to wait out our results for two more years, then that's the definition of insanity. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

10-29-2012, 02:39 PM	#345
punch it in Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 41 Posts: 3,369	Unlike the athletes and coaches we discuss we are not getting paid millions of dollars to post here. If we were i would imagine this would be the case for us as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

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