Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

SmootSmack · 10-30-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

All those annoying facts!! He lists wins and losses under Mike, then compares them to other "failed" coaches, and guess what? Shanahan's numbers are even worse...

But it's actually worse with Mike, because among all those coaches and all current coaches, Mike is the HC most responsible for his teams utter failure. He arguably has more control than any coach in pro football, so the results rest squarely on him.

Everything has a tipping point associated with it. My intuition is the tipping point among most Skins fans realizing this regime cannot succeed is just around the corner.

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

The Goat · 10-30-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

Isn't it the same with all of us

I like when a post or article lists the hard numbers, stuff I could research but don't want to spend time doing. The article has that plus a whole lot of opinion, but it's the hard numbers that should tell the real story.

Gary84Clark · 10-30-2012, 02:23 PM

I wish Portis was our third down back, at least long enough to teach our RBs how to pass protect with authority and vigor. Royster is not aggressive enough. Portis used to victimize blitzing linebackers and DBs. We need that attitude. We are kinda soft. Kinda like an AFC West team.

JoeRedskin · 10-30-2012, 02:24 PM

I am so much happier now that I can't read Goat's selective logic (in that he is ignored), but could you please stop quoting him. It's harshing my mellow.

53Fan · 10-30-2012, 02:25 PM

Personally I'm just trying to keep and open mind to everything. At times I've felt great about our future but it's hard to just ignore certain things. I couldn't be happier about RG3 and I'm alot more concerned about his wellbeing than any coaches wellbeing. I like some of the things Mike has done with this club. The o-line is playing better than I expected and I really like some of our draft picks and thr infusion of youth. I hope Mike kicks ass with this organization but my thoughts about him after 21/2 years seem about the same as when he was hired. And that is he's half a HC.....which makes you a coordinator. I respect him as a OC but why are his defenses always so bad? I understand the injuries but we weren't looking like a top 10 defense before they occured either. I'm sure we'd be better and I've been excited and bought into the hype that in our 3rd year in the 3-4 the defense would be our strength. There has been no real evidence of that. We want to believe it so we say they would be if not for injuries but look at the stats for the last dozen games or so. Maybe it's the frustration of watching such a total lack of effort in some areas and total ineptitude in others last week that has me feeling this way. I'll still keep and open mind....but I refuse to keep a blind eye.

DynamiteRave · 10-30-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

I wish Portis was our third down back, at least long enough to teach our RBs how to pass protect with authority and vigor. Royster is not aggressive enough. Portis used to victimize blitzing linebackers and DBs. We need that attitude. We are kinda soft. Kinda like an AFC West team.

I don't think Morris is horrible at blocking. He's no Portis but he's better than Royster.

Mattyk · 10-30-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

los panda · 10-30-2012, 02:37 PM

don't let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel, if you have hate in your heart let it out!

if you don't like mike shanahan, don't mean there's something wrong with you, means there's something wrong with mike shanahan; he's not undefeated!

Mechanix544 · 10-30-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

We did fall off in 2009, ending far below .500.

Here comes 2010.

2010 we had bum McNabb
Then we had INT crazy Rexy.
And the Beck experiment.

So we basically didn't have a QB.

Then we had injured plague Portis who was on the downward trek of his career and didn't even play a full season in 2009 or 2010.
Then Larry Johnson who did squat.
Ryan Torain who was the shining spot that year.

We had Moss, our one constant.
Devin Thomas - Bum
Joey Galloway - Was way too old
Roydell Williams - Who??
Armstrong and Banks. Alright. They're not bad.

Our line wasn't horrible or too different from how it is now, except now we don't have 2 liabilities, aka Heyer and Rabach.

Our defense honestly, isn't very different from 2010, there are some major names missing from our current team (Rogers, Landry, HAYNESWORTH).

Which leads me to believe that there is a defensive coaching issue, rather than a head coach issue.

Our offense blew in 2010, we were 6-10, ranked 25th on offense.
Blew in 2011, 5-11, ranked 26th on offense.
Now in 2012, we're currently 3-5 but 5th in offense.

They've done nothing but get better. We added skill, youth and depth. Improvement!

In regards to total defense, yards per game:
2009 we were ranked 10
2010 - 31st
2011 - 13th

And we all know how this year has been.

People are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater, if there's a problem here, it's Haslett, not Shanahan. We are also injury plagued, with little defensive depth.

I'm not a Shanahan apologist by any means, but I don't think he's the real glaring problem here.

WOW. Just WOW. So, for his first two seasons here, both with horrid records and abysmal offensive stats that look quite similar, yet in year three, he jumps from 26th in the league to 3rd??????

And that is Shanahans doing? THat is Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan and Polumbus' doing? No, sorry, that is RG3's doing. WE AREN'T EVEN RUNNING A MIKE SHANAHAN OFFENSE!!!!!! Its all RG3. Any coach in the league worth on hardened turd would statistically JUMP having that weapon. The other side of it is, only a very very special coach/coaching staff would take a ridiculous gem of a weapon like that, and still be 3-5 in the rankings, with a bleak outlook. That coach/coaching staff is ours.

Any success this year can be directly attributed to RG3. He has excelled in spite of Shanahans team building exercise that will still take another 3 years. In that span of time, the 1 win Colts are second in their division, and have beaten the Packers and the suprisingly strong Vikings, with luck on pace to throw for well over 4000 yards. With Reggie Wayne. AND THAT'S it for receivers in Indy. Personnel decisions other than the really easy to hit ones, and ALFMO have mostly been very very poor. That is Mike Shanahans fault, noone elses.

Mattyk · 10-30-2012, 02:47 PM

I guess I'll never understand blaming Mike/Kyle for everything that went wrong with McNabb/Beck/Rex, and then refusing to give any credit for the success of RG3.

Mechanix544 · 10-30-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I voted Yes, fire him now...because I wanted to **** with the results

messing with election or poll results..........hmmmmm lemme guess, you're LEFT handed?

Mechanix544 · 10-30-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm glad the majority of fans haven't lost their heads just yet.

You just wait until Cam Newton has a career day that RG3 has to try and bail us out of next week. If they haven't yet, with Mike Shanahan, there is always next week. Or next season, or the season after that for that matter.

DynamiteRave · 10-30-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

WOW. Just WOW. So, for his first two seasons here, both with horrid records and abysmal offensive stats that look quite similar, yet in year three, he jumps from 26th in the league to 3rd??????

And that is Shanahans doing? THat is Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan and Polumbus' doing? No, sorry, that is RG3's doing. WE AREN'T EVEN RUNNING A MIKE SHANAHAN OFFENSE!!!!!! Its all RG3. Any coach in the league worth on hardened turd would statistically JUMP having that weapon. The other side of it is, only a very very special coach/coaching staff would take a ridiculous gem of a weapon like that, and still be 3-5 in the rankings, with a bleak outlook. That coach/coaching staff is ours.

Any success this year can be directly attributed to RG3. He has excelled in spite of Shanahans team building exercise that will still take another 3 years. In that span of time, the 1 win Colts are second in their division, and have beaten the Packers and the suprisingly strong Vikings, with luck on pace to throw for well over 4000 yards. With Reggie Wayne. AND THAT'S it for receivers in Indy. Personnel decisions other than the really easy to hit ones, and ALFMO have mostly been very very poor. That is Mike Shanahans fault, noone elses.

You build around the QB, and I think Shanahan and Allen are trying to do that. Of course we aren't using a Shanahan offense because that's not RG3's thing. You're complaining because Shanahan decided to play to RG3's strengths rather than implementing his own strategy in spite of him?

We add Morris, Trent Williams, Perry Riley, Carriker, Kerrigan, Young, and RG3 of course.

FA wise we picked up - Garcon, Morgan, Paulsen (who's proved kinda valuable due to injury)

And personnel decisions have been horrible? On the defensive side? Perhaps. But to sit there and say they haven't tried to help RG3 out is beyond obtuse.

Mmmkay.

Mechanix544 · 10-30-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think everyone has just institutionalized losing, at least to the point where it doesn't set off red flags anymore.

I don't know how else to explain what goes on. People seem to be really convinced that this is normal. Good for them, I guess.

No, I believe now its that losing and being a horrible team - mediocre team is ok as long as you are putting up some points finally.

You know what would be incredible? Putting a decent group of coaches around our once in a lifetime QB. I guess he is stuck bailing these two out for the foreseeable future though............

los panda · 10-30-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

No, I believe now its that losing and being a horrible team - mediocre team is ok as long as you are putting up some points finally.

You know what would be incredible? Putting a decent group of coaches around our once in a lifetime QB. I guess he is stuck bailing these two out for the foreseeable future though............

gibbs 3.0!

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10-30-2012, 02:23 PM	#408
Gary84Clark Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 219	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I wish Portis was our third down back, at least long enough to teach our RBs how to pass protect with authority and vigor. Royster is not aggressive enough. Portis used to victimize blitzing linebackers and DBs. We need that attitude. We are kinda soft. Kinda like an AFC West team.

10-30-2012, 02:24 PM	#409
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,144	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I am so much happier now that I can't read Goat's selective logic (in that he is ignored), but could you please stop quoting him. It's harshing my mellow. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

10-30-2012, 02:25 PM	#410
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Personally I'm just trying to keep and open mind to everything. At times I've felt great about our future but it's hard to just ignore certain things. I couldn't be happier about RG3 and I'm alot more concerned about his wellbeing than any coaches wellbeing. I like some of the things Mike has done with this club. The o-line is playing better than I expected and I really like some of our draft picks and thr infusion of youth. I hope Mike kicks ass with this organization but my thoughts about him after 21/2 years seem about the same as when he was hired. And that is he's half a HC.....which makes you a coordinator. I respect him as a OC but why are his defenses always so bad? I understand the injuries but we weren't looking like a top 10 defense before they occured either. I'm sure we'd be better and I've been excited and bought into the hype that in our 3rd year in the 3-4 the defense would be our strength. There has been no real evidence of that. We want to believe it so we say they would be if not for injuries but look at the stats for the last dozen games or so. Maybe it's the frustration of watching such a total lack of effort in some areas and total ineptitude in others last week that has me feeling this way. I'll still keep and open mind....but I refuse to keep a blind eye. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

10-30-2012, 02:37 PM	#413
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,850	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? don't let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel, if you have hate in your heart let it out! if you don't like mike shanahan, don't mean there's something wrong with you, means there's something wrong with mike shanahan; he's not undefeated! __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

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Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,689	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I guess I'll never understand blaming Mike/Kyle for everything that went wrong with McNabb/Beck/Rex, and then refusing to give any credit for the success of RG3. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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