Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

skinsfaninok · 10-31-2012, 10:41 PM

Isn't Mike an offensive coach?? Hmm

Bucket · 10-31-2012, 10:42 PM

I think Punch it in would commit suicide if RG3 turned out to be Vince Young II

53Fan · 10-31-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Zorn.

And that worked just swell.

Zorn 2008 8-8 (PA) D-6 (PS) O-28
Zorn 2009 4-12 (PA) D-18 (PS) O-26
Shanahan 2010 6-10 (PA) D-21 (PS) O-25
Shanahan 2011 5-11 (PA) D-21 (PS) O-26

According to our friend Skinsfanok, "Stats don't lie."

I don't always go by stats myself as I think there are variables to consider such as Zorn wasn't going through a defensive scheme change like Shanahan. In fact I'm not sure Zorn had any imput with the defense whatsoever. On the other side...Shanny handpicked his DC and scheme and has more power in his position than Zorn ever dreamed of.
Now...I am very happy with the fact that we have RG3..we actually have drafted oline since Mike has been here...the oline is playing well..we're an exciting team scoring points..we have finally become a young team...I expect our FA receivers to do very well...we have a running game with a fine young rookie...love the LB's we've drafted. Love alot of things Mike has done for this team. I voted to wait until the end of the year and decide...but if he doesn't hire a DC that can turn this defense into an asset instead of a liability and leav"e the guy alone to do his thing then I'm ready for someone else to takeover this team.

53Fan · 10-31-2012, 11:12 PM

Just one more thing and I'll try to leave it alone. When we talk of how Mike has brought in good young talent and turned this roster around who are we comparing him to.....Vinny? I think most coaches would have done the same thing now that Allen is here and it's actually possible. Coach the offense...get a good DC and let him do his thing Mike. Let's win some games baby!

punch it in · 10-31-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

I think Punch it in would commit suicide if RG3 turned out to be Vince Young II

Maybe I will be the president of his fan club one day.

Edit: if i was ever going to commit suicide over football related matters it would have been sometime during the John Beck era. My brain was telling me to stop watching but my eyes werent listening and so than my brain was telling me to stick hot pokers in my eyes , which probably would have looked like a suicide even though it was just a desperation move to never have to see john beck play again. But Than Rex came back and i just threw up in my mouth alot and beat my skull with blunt objects.
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punch it in · 10-31-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Isn't Mike an offensive coach?? Hmm

Yeah Thats why i said / DC - its Shannys call who takes over the D post Haslett rite?

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The Goat · 10-31-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Zorn.

And that worked just swell.

Again, extremes (skins, lol) vs nuance. Zorn vs Sean Peyton.

Sorry Matty, this place is better than Extreme Skins but I couldn't resist

Bishop Hammer · 11-01-2012, 01:15 AM

No. The Skins put up one horrid game and folks want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

blowout losses happen. Considering this is the first one (with a rookie QB, mind you) its nothing to freak out about. If the Texans can ger blown out, with perhaps the most prolific offense in the leauge, then I don't think you can begrudge our team for one.

Mattyk · 11-01-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Aren't you on the side of the arguement that gives examples of the Giants, packers and the Patriots as reasons why defense is not necessarily all that important? Maybe not you who quoted it, but many people have given those examples as why we could still win. Even though we are not, and now its due to not getting any help from the Defense. Correct me if I am wrong, but this defense is almost ALL Shanahans men, over 3 years worth of his men, and its now last in the league. I doubt that even changing the coordinator is going to be of much help, so again, since defense is now very necessary to win and a very important cog (excuse), we are again 3 years away from fixing THIS problem.

Point I am making is that if Shanahan was to come in here and team build, he has absolutely neglected the other side of the ball. We are now again 3 years away from fielding a team decent enough to be considered a contender due to the absolutely horrid play of our team on that side of the ball. With this logic, very often applied during these types of "Shanahan, Haslett, To fire or not to Fire" discussions, once we fix one side, the other side will be old, ineffective and abysmal, and we are right back to square one. Being just a couple years away. Its a football team, and if a coach is worth his weight in whatever, he gets his players to perform or he doesn't. They all have the same cap, the same draft picks, and the same rules. Its the coaches that are different, and this coach can not keep up, and we will NEVER be a serious contender for anything as long as Mike Shanahan is here at the helm. Again, just my opinion, but I think its fairly valid to say a coach who hasn't done squat in the league as far as playoffs and sustained success is concerned other than the times he has a uber elite QB behind center just cannot get it done without that Uber talent. He has proven it time and time again, we were just so desperate to get rid of zorn that we all figured he would be an upgrade. Sure Seems like he isn't. I haven't seen much of anything different other than our youth and QB, still losing, but now with the worst defense in the league and a patchwork OLine that is overachieving due to a ultra mobile QB. And this whole thing about the mood and pride at Redskins park has changed in the last 3 years, ok.

I'll take winning over a positive attitude anyday, thanks. Until that happy sunshiny feeling translates into sustained success on the field, call me a non believer in anything Shanahan is selling.

Not sure I ever said that. Difference with those D's is they can either bring pressure or create a lot of turnovers.

We're mostly on the same page, I don't think it will take 3 years to fix the D though.

DynamiteRave · 11-01-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hammer

No. The Skins put up one horrid game and folks want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

blowout losses happen. Considering this is the first one (with a rookie QB, mind you) its nothing to freak out about. If the Texans can ger blown out, with perhaps the most prolific offense in the leauge, then I don't think you can begrudge our team for one.

Thiiiiis. And I mean we didn't even get blown out really. We lost by... what, 2 scores? It could've been worse. We could've been the week 7 Ravens.

Richmond Redskin · 11-01-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not sure I ever said that. Difference with those D's is they can either bring pressure or create a lot of turnovers.

We're mostly on the same page, I don't think it will take 3 years to fix the D though.

I think we have at least one more year of a struggling defense. Basically we have RAK and Carriker back, but both off of big injuries. We need time, money and talent and we are short on all three. I think unless we have some players really step up we are a little hamstrung this year and next.

We have some picks next draft and hopefully can find a few starters in that mix.

RedskinRat · 11-01-2012, 11:31 AM

Are people not seeing the difference between being in every game and being on the wrong end of an Eagles-like loss (whichever season it was they jumped us for the most ugly, lopsided score I've seen)?

I see progress with this squad and if we'd had our starting Safeties, Carriker and Rak, who knows where we'd be now.

The Goat · 11-01-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Are people not seeing the difference between being in every game and being on the wrong end of an Eagles-like loss (whichever season it was they jumped us for the most ugly, lopsided score I've seen)?

I see progress with this squad and if we'd had our starting Safeties, Carriker and Rak, who knows where we'd be now.

We were in a ton of games last year and the year before.

Skinzman · 11-01-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

We were in a ton of games last year and the year before.

Out of 8 games, there has only been one we werent in. That didnt happen all that much the last few years.

Im still a believer that most teams went ultra conservative with us the last few years (or like the Giants last year, just assumed the win was guaranteed as long as they showed up and gave a half-ass effort). Most teams knew that as long as they werent giving up pick 6's to our defense, they would most likely win. We had no offense, so there was no reason to put in game plans to try and score 30 points against us and risk our defense scoring points. Its not that teams didnt want to score like crazy on us, they just knew that there was no reason to risk a play when you could just punt knowing that the ball would come back with no points scored by the Skins. Get a TD or two, then laugh as Rex/Beck/McNabb/Cambell ect. tried to get us back into the game.

I think we are getting teams best efforts and best game plans this year, and are staying right with them even with the terrible defense that we have.

CRedskinsRule · 11-01-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

Out of 8 games, there has only been one we werent in. That didnt happen all that much the last few years.

Im still a believer that most teams went ultra conservative with us the last few years (or like the Giants last year, just assumed the win was guaranteed as long as they showed up and gave a half-ass effort). Most teams knew that as long as they werent giving up pick 6's to our defense, they would most likely win. We had no offense, so there was no reason to put in game plans to try and score 30 points against us and risk our defense scoring points. Its not that teams didnt want to score like crazy on us, they just knew that there was no reason to risk a play when you could just punt knowing that the ball would come back with no points scored by the Skins. Get a TD or two, then laugh as Rex/Beck/McNabb/Cambell ect. tried to get us back into the game.

I think we are getting teams best efforts and best game plans this year, and are staying right with them even with the terrible defense that we have.

Well said, and I agree with this.

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skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,994	Isn't Mike an offensive coach?? Hmm __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

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Bucket The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 2,136	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I think Punch it in would commit suicide if RG3 turned out to be Vince Young II __________________ HTTR Redskin Fan since '88 Be friends on Twitter! @thecasualhero

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53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Just one more thing and I'll try to leave it alone. When we talk of how Mike has brought in good young talent and turned this roster around who are we comparing him to.....Vinny? I think most coaches would have done the same thing now that Allen is here and it's actually possible. Coach the offense...get a good DC and let him do his thing Mike. Let's win some games baby! __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

11-01-2012, 01:15 AM	#563
Bishop Hammer Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 109	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? No. The Skins put up one horrid game and folks want to throw the baby out with the bath water. blowout losses happen. Considering this is the first one (with a rookie QB, mind you) its nothing to freak out about. If the Texans can ger blown out, with perhaps the most prolific offense in the leauge, then I don't think you can begrudge our team for one. __________________ I don't have to sell my soul he's already in me I don't need to sell my soul he's already in me I wanna be adored I wanna be adored Stone Roses "I wanna be adored"

11-01-2012, 11:31 AM	#567
RedskinRat Born a Rocker,Die a Rocker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 6,788	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Are people not seeing the difference between being in every game and being on the wrong end of an Eagles-like loss (whichever season it was they jumped us for the most ugly, lopsided score I've seen)? I see progress with this squad and if we'd had our starting Safeties, Carriker and Rak, who knows where we'd be now. Last edited by RedskinRat; 11-01-2012 at 11:37 AM.

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