Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

skinsfan69 · 11-02-2012, 09:37 AM

Bottom line is MS has to take the blame for the defense. He came in and changed it. It's been worse since he's taken over. And even with Carriker and Orakpo we were still at best an average defense. Changing to the 3-4 has not been a good move and the numbers back it up. RG3 buys him another year.

CRedskinsRule · 11-02-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Bottom line is MS has to take the blame for the defense. He came in and changed it. It's been worse since he's taken over. And even with Carriker and Orakpo we were still at best an average defense. Changing to the 3-4 has not been a good move and the numbers back it up. RG3 buys him another year.

Just curious what your take on the train of thought that offenses didn't run it up on us because they believed we couldn't come back - thus artificially raising our defensive stats.

Sonny9TD · 11-02-2012, 11:50 AM

No but I wouldn't mind seeing Haslett replaced. Not at all.

REDSKINS4ever · 11-02-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Bottom line is MS has to take the blame for the defense. He came in and changed it. It's been worse since he's taken over. And even with Carriker and Orakpo we were still at best an average defense. Changing to the 3-4 has not been a good move and the numbers back it up. RG3 buys him another year.

Mike Shanahan will live out his 5 year contract. He has Bruce Allen to back him up. Shanahan told Snyder from the beginning that this was a rebuilding program. He's in year 3 now and he and Bruce Allen are slowly but surely cleaning up the gigantic mess left behind by Vinny Cerratto. Switching to the 3-4 defense truly wasn't a bad move. The Redskins have given up tons of yardage this year, but have still managed to attain turnovers and turn them into points thanks in part to the defense. The Redskins were ranked 10th in defense after 11 games last season and 13th once the season was over. Granted, the defense did take 1,000 steps back this year. Getting rid of Atogwe and Landry hurt the Redskins more than anyone thought it would have. And let's not mention Brandon Meriweather's perpetual injury and Tanard Jackson's 1 year suspension.

skinsfan69 · 11-02-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just curious what your take on the train of thought that offenses didn't run it up on us because they believed we couldn't come back - thus artificially raising our defensive stats.

I think that's somewhat over analyzing it.

skinsfan69 · 11-02-2012, 02:46 PM

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Mike Shanahan will live out his 5 year contract. He has Bruce Allen to back him up. Shanahan told Snyder from the beginning that this was a rebuilding program. He's in year 3 now and he and Bruce Allen are slowly but surely cleaning up the gigantic mess left behind by Vinny Cerratto. Switching to the 3-4 defense truly wasn't a bad move. The Redskins have given up tons of yardage this year, but have still managed to attain turnovers and turn them into points thanks in part to the defense. The Redskins were ranked 10th in defense after 11 games last season and 13th once the season was over. Granted, the defense did take 1,000 steps back this year. Getting rid of Atogwe and Landry hurt the Redskins more than anyone thought it would have. And let's not mention Brandon Meriweather's perpetual injury and Tanard Jackson's 1 year suspension.

So tired of the Vinny argument. MS and Bruce have to be held accountable for trading away picks for McNabb, for trading away picks for Brown, changing the defense and low balling Rogers. Atogwe couldn't play anymore so it didn't matter if he left and they didn't want to mess around with LL cause of his injury. Then you bring in band aids..one has a drug problem and can't play. Then you over pay Morgan and he's not playing up to his pay check. IMO he gets one more year but he needs to make the playoffs next year. 4 years in a row of no post season play at 7 mil per year???? Who keeps their job in the NFL with that record??? NO ONE.

Meks · 11-02-2012, 02:50 PM

^^^

honestly we just need some help on D and a better coach and we will be just fine.

Meks · 11-02-2012, 02:51 PM

can't wait for the thread title ...

REDSKINS announce Jim Has'been'Lett Go!

SmootSmack · 11-02-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So tired of the Vinny argument. MS and Bruce have to be held accountable for trading away picks for McNabb, for trading away picks for Brown, changing the defense and low balling Rogers. Atogwe couldn't play anymore so it didn't matter if he left and they didn't want to mess around with LL cause of his injury. Then you bring in band aids..one has a drug problem and can't play. Then you over pay Morgan and he's not playing up to his pay check. IMO he gets one more year but he needs to make the playoffs next year. 4 years in a row of no post season play at 7 mil per year???? Who keeps their job in the NFL with that record??? NO ONE.

Minor point I suppose but to be clear we did not lowball Carlos. We got Brown and what ended up being Niles Paul for a 3rd round pick, not multiple picks for JB

RedskinRat · 11-02-2012, 03:08 PM

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Minor point I suppose but to be clear we did not lowball Carlos. We got Brown and what ended up being Niles Paul for a 3rd round pick, not multiple picks for JB

I vaguely recall you saying at the time that Carlos wanted out. Not sure if he'd have been productive had he stayed. Disgruntled employee situation.

SmootSmack · 11-02-2012, 03:11 PM

For a brief moment it seemed he might consider returning. But don't believe it was ever truly genuine. his situation wasn't as bad as Champ's, but like Champ he was very bitter about things and wanted out.

Meks · 11-02-2012, 03:15 PM

in both cases, as much as i love portis, t'was a shame

skinsfan69 · 11-02-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Minor point I suppose but to be clear we did not lowball Carlos. We got Brown and what ended up being Niles Paul for a 3rd round pick, not multiple picks for JB

Well they certainly pissed him off and Los had no desire to stay. I'm assuming because Hall got more $ than he was offered? Regardless... our best cover corner walked and had a career year in another uniform.

The Brown trade has been a mess. He can't stay on the field and Paul is a non factor... so far.

SmootSmack · 11-02-2012, 03:27 PM

Sure, but to your earlier post it wasn't Allen/Shanahan that pissed Los off. That bridge burned long before.

Anyhow, Redskins HC 2016....Raheem Morris. You think I'm joking

skinsfan69 · 11-02-2012, 03:40 PM

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;959898]Sure, but to your earlier post it wasn't Allen/Shanahan that pissed Los off. That bridge burned long before.

Anyhow, Redskins HC 2016....Raheem Morris. You think I'm joking[/QUOTE]

Oh...ok. Well ....If all else fails...Blame it on Vinny!

More like I hope you're joking! You keep bringing up Morris. His team 100% quit on him last year. Why is he held in such high regard? He's never even been a coordinator in the NFL.

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11-02-2012, 09:37 AM	#571
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,103	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Bottom line is MS has to take the blame for the defense. He came in and changed it. It's been worse since he's taken over. And even with Carriker and Orakpo we were still at best an average defense. Changing to the 3-4 has not been a good move and the numbers back it up. RG3 buys him another year.

11-02-2012, 11:50 AM	#573
Sonny9TD Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 211	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? No but I wouldn't mind seeing Haslett replaced. Not at all.

11-02-2012, 02:50 PM	#577
Meks The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 27 Posts: 1,744	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? ^^^ honestly we just need some help on D and a better coach and we will be just fine. __________________ NFL officiating is BY FAR the worst in proffessional sports. Except no substitutions... worse or not!! R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

11-02-2012, 02:51 PM	#578
Meks The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 27 Posts: 1,744	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? can't wait for the thread title ... REDSKINS announce Jim Has'been'Lett Go! __________________ NFL officiating is BY FAR the worst in proffessional sports. Except no substitutions... worse or not!! R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

11-02-2012, 03:11 PM	#581
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,097	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? For a brief moment it seemed he might consider returning. But don't believe it was ever truly genuine. his situation wasn't as bad as Champ's, but like Champ he was very bitter about things and wanted out. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-02-2012, 03:15 PM	#582
Meks The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 27 Posts: 1,744	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? in both cases, as much as i love portis, t'was a shame __________________ NFL officiating is BY FAR the worst in proffessional sports. Except no substitutions... worse or not!! R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

11-02-2012, 03:27 PM	#584
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,097	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Sure, but to your earlier post it wasn't Allen/Shanahan that pissed Los off. That bridge burned long before. Anyhow, Redskins HC 2016....Raheem Morris. You think I'm joking __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-02-2012, 03:40 PM	#585
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,103	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? [QUOTE=SmootSmack;959898]Sure, but to your earlier post it wasn't Allen/Shanahan that pissed Los off. That bridge burned long before. Anyhow, Redskins HC 2016....Raheem Morris. You think I'm joking[/QUOTE] Oh...ok. Well ....If all else fails...Blame it on Vinny! More like I hope you're joking! You keep bringing up Morris. His team 100% quit on him last year. Why is he held in such high regard? He's never even been a coordinator in the NFL.

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