Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

SmootSmack · 11-03-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just curious what your take on the train of thought that offenses didn't run it up on us because they believed we couldn't come back - thus artificially raising our defensive stats.

Well in 2011, on average about 46% of an opponent's offensive plays were running plays. In 2012 it's around 36%.

In our 2011 losses, it was around 50%. 2012-41%

That tells just part of the story though because you'd probably need a quarter by quarter breakdown to get a stronger sense of just how passive/aggressive the opposing team's offense was

JoeRedskin · 11-03-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well in 2011, on average about 46% of an opponent's offensive plays were running plays. In 2012 it's around 36%.

In our 2011 losses, it was around 50%. 2012-41%

That tells just part of the story though because you'd probably need a quarter by quarter breakdown to get a stronger sense of just how passive/aggressive the opposing team's offense was

Wait, statistics, facts and analysis. How could that be? I thought we were just going to accept that it was:

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Completely fabricated. No basis in reality.

punch it in · 11-03-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are you high? I said they beat us and yet you sit there and say my memory is foggy?....lol WoW. This conversation is brutal and pretty useless to be honest with you. Listen one more time. You claimed the Lions were the worst in football. I pointed out it was basically that same team that beat us. We ended their losing streak. So if they were the worst and beat us, what the **** does that make us? It makes even worse than the worst.

Also. In regards to the underlined.

(thank you JR for this gem)

He was NOT 10-6 his second year. I posted the record of JS's tenure in Detroit and yet you still ****ed it up?... /facepalm

I dont care that they beat us. Its about detroit making a turnaround. To go from 0-16 to the playoffs a couple years later is a friggin turnaround no matter how you dance around it. Jeez.

Edit: there is a marked improvement for three years witj JS in Detroit. Also alot of it was without Stafford but Culpepoer etc at qb. How in the hell are you gonna sit there and say he did not turn the detroit lions franchise around How stubborn. My God. If i could facepalm on my iphone it would be inserted several times here.
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punch it in · 11-03-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well in 2011, on average about 46% of an opponent's offensive plays were running plays. In 2012 it's around 36%.

In our 2011 losses, it was around 50%. 2012-41%

That tells just part of the story though because you'd probably need a quarter by quarter breakdown to get a stronger sense of just how passive/aggressive the opposing team's offense was

SS do you agree with the fact that the aggressive play calling could have something to do with the fact that my dog could pass for 300 yards against this current secondary and not so much to do with the fact that teams only try to score 13 points against teams with Rex at qb. That is one of thee most ridiculous arguments i have ever heard in my entire life.

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SmootSmack · 11-03-2012, 01:30 PM

I think if you believe the opponent is incapable of scoring quickly and in bunches you may have a different offensive gameplan than you might if you think they are capable.

FRPLG · 11-03-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

That is one of thee most ridiculous arguments i have ever heard in my entire

Really? I think it seems pretty rational to me that a team's aggressiveness is tied to how many points their opponents have scored or are capable of scoring.

CultBrennan59 · 11-03-2012, 02:28 PM

This thread has gone on too long. Mods can we please close this?

CRedskinsRule · 11-03-2012, 02:37 PM

Put it another way how many times previously did we have a 21 to 3 or 21 to 6 lead where the team needed to try and pass and score in order to beat us? Or how many times after a team took the lead did our offense regain the lead? Compare that with this year and our ability 2 compete in every game.

Deivybaby · 11-03-2012, 02:42 PM

Give shanny one more yeaR. Thats all i can say.

SmootSmack · 11-03-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

This thread has gone on too long. Mods can we please close this?

Well, like I said before, we would but some would accuse of us shutting down opposing thought (even though, contrary to belief, not all the mods agree with each other amongst ourselves).

I keep trying to just let this thread die..but it's like a phoenix

punch it in · 11-03-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Really? I think it seems pretty rational to me that a team's aggressiveness is tied to how many points their opponents have scored or are capable of scoring.

Maybe in the fourth quarter when the game is in the bag but i cant believe anybody and Again you are gameplanning your offense to go run or pass for the most part. Who in their rite mind isnt going to pass against us no matter who our qb is.
Edit: long live the Phoenix

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punch it in · 11-03-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

This thread has gone on too long. Mods can we please close this?

Why? So it funnels all the shanny bashing into one place.

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punch it in · 11-03-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Really? I think it seems pretty rational to me that a team's aggressiveness is tied to how many points their opponents have scored or are capable of scoring.

4 of the last 7 games we played last year teams scored 30 or more points against us. Dallas put up 27. That was after our inept offense already played and showed we were incapable of putting up points. Hmmmm.

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SmootSmack · 11-03-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

4 of the last 7 games we played last year teams scored 30 or more points against us. Dallas put up 27. That was after our inept offense already played and showed we were incapable of putting up points. Hmmmm.

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How would you define aggressive/attacking playcalling? And do you think this year's defense is worse than last year's?

punch it in · 11-03-2012, 04:52 PM

Well passing is usually a sign of aggressive attacking playcalling - though with our d i think that is just the "easy" way. I mean wouldnt you pass on us? Yes i think this years d is the worst i ever remember.

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punch it in Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 41 Posts: 3,369	Well passing is usually a sign of aggressive attacking playcalling - though with our d i think that is just the "easy" way. I mean wouldnt you pass on us? Yes i think this years d is the worst i ever remember. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

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CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,915	Put it another way how many times previously did we have a 21 to 3 or 21 to 6 lead where the team needed to try and pass and score in order to beat us? Or how many times after a team took the lead did our offense regain the lead? Compare that with this year and our ability 2 compete in every game.

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