Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

Chico23231 · 11-03-2012, 08:43 PM

Is there another coach who would have this team in the playoffs with the same defense, coaching staff, injuries?

No

That Guy · 11-03-2012, 08:44 PM

atogwe is still available, we can get that band back together, yet choose not to.

obviously the only answer is firing mike shannahan.

and to save everyone some time:

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Originally Posted by The Goat

^^^ Strong Post

thank you, that is all.

NC_Skins · 11-03-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

All i had to read was the part about culpepper. Check my mixed up facts again and you will notice an etc after culpeppers name. Etc as in others.
Also JS had 16 wins during years two and three combined. More than MS has total so far. And JS inherited arguably thee worst team ever. They were 0-16 the year before. The year they beat us was JS first year. The year before we i believe we beat them. If not we would have.
If we win four more games this year their win totals will be equal for their first three years.
You think playing 29 out of 48 games without ur number one pick at QB isnt playing alot without him???? 40% missed games isnt alot to you? Wow. You are cloudy and confused bro. Not me.

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Considering they won 2 games the year Culpepper was there, he didn't win ANY with Culpepper. Again with your facts. Even with Shaun Hill, he went a measley 6-10. Improvement eh?...lol

Also, last time I checked, 60% > 40%. When you say he did much of it without Stafford, it's pretty apparent you are saying he turned the tide with a shit QB for a majority of that time. Fact is, he was 2-11 and 6-10. The 3rd year he was 10-6 with Stafford. Those 2 years aren't near as bad as Mikes. Also, what is your excuse for his 3-4 season this year? What happend to that "turn around" in Detroit?

Is that what you want? Have one good year than go back to being shit again? Really? Is that your idea of a turn around? Still didn't get your answer on Tony Sparano. Think he turned the Dolphins around?

NC_Skins · 11-03-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is there another coach who would have this team in the playoffs with the same defense, coaching staff, injuries?

No

It's funny you mention this. Remember that article detailing the behind the scenes of what went down the year Zorn imploded? How Danny and crew flew out to Denver to talk to Mike. Remember what Mike told Danny? He told him flat out that even if he stepped in midway through the season, it wouldn't even change much. Why? Because Mike knew Zorn had a aging roster with no depth.

Even great coaches need talent to be great.

The Goat · 11-03-2012, 08:59 PM

As previously said, I reckon by end of this season most of us (more than half) will be ready to move on from Mike. I hope otherwise because we're winning, but there is absolutely no evidence to believe this regime is making the team more competitive. The folks who try to make that argument end up in ridiculous diatribes about 10-6 vs 5-11 etc etc. Or they just try to diminish other franchises/coaches that have considerably improved within three years of taking over.

I'll say the same thing I did last week, the results always speak for themselves. Most fans, regardless of the sport, see winning as the result that matters most. I fit in that group, and do so unabashedly.

SouperMeister · 11-03-2012, 09:38 PM

Being realistic, this franchise is at least two full offseasons away from building a winner. The trade for RG3 was absolutely the key move to give fans a foundation of hope, but there are still a ton of other holes to fill. IMO, the last thing this franchise needs is another head coaching change. I would prefer to limit Shanny's power on the personnel side, and bring in a GM that has a real say during the offseason.

FRPLG · 11-03-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, like I said before, we would but some would accuse of us shutting down opposing thought (even though, contrary to belief, not all the mods agree with each other amongst ourselves).

I keep trying to just let this thread die..but it's like a phoenix

You can do it...you have the technology.

punch it in · 11-03-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is there another coach who would have this team in the playoffs with the same defense, coaching staff, injuries?

No

He chose the staff, he chose the defense. Every team has injuries.

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punch it in · 11-03-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Considering they won 2 games the year Culpepper was there, he didn't win ANY with Culpepper. Again with your facts. Even with Shaun Hill, he went a measley 6-10. Improvement eh?...lol

Also, last time I checked, 60% > 40%. When you say he did much of it without Stafford, it's pretty apparent you are saying he turned the tide with a shit QB for a majority of that time. Fact is, he was 2-11 and 6-10. The 3rd year he was 10-6 with Stafford. Those 2 years aren't near as bad as Mikes. Also, what is your excuse for his 3-4 season this year? What happend to that "turn around" in Detroit?

Is that what you want? Have one good year than go back to being shit again? Really? Is that your idea of a turn around? Still didn't get your answer on Tony Sparano. Think he turned the Dolphins around?

Theres that were losing alot because were doing it the rite way and building a dynasty. Lol.
Philbin seems to be doing a pretty good job with the dolphins. Wtf do you keep asking about sporano for? He wasnt one of the guys mentioned in the original post about turn it around coaches. You must have a reason though and im sure whatever that reason is will mean that the skins are on the rite track so go ahead with it?

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punch it in · 11-03-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is there another coach who would have this team in the playoffs with the same defense, coaching staff, injuries?

No

Chico in the post game thread you were killing the "Shanny regime". And i quote , "just another game in the Shanny regime-" - than you said something about how him and the staff and whole team is terrible. Why are you now defending him?

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Bushead · 11-04-2012, 01:52 AM

This thread has giving me many headaches this week. Each time I log in, it's still at the top.

CultBrennan59 · 11-04-2012, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushead

This thread has giving me many headaches this week. Each time I log in, it's still at the top.

Ditto.

This thread has gone on longer than a game day thread. So like the game day threads, we should close it immediately and make the Ho Ho Haslett has to go thread be our main fire coaches thread. Just the want to fire Shanahan shows how impatient as a fanbase we are. Can you imagine if our team was the Raiders or Lions or Chiefs how pissed off we'd be...

JoeRedskin · 11-04-2012, 03:26 AM

I am with the mods. Let it stay. As Smoot has pointed out, closing it will only cause another one just like it to spring up after a loss. Besides, it gives the seven "Fire Shanny Now" guys a place to vent and tell the rest of us how moronic we are. For me, there hasn't been anything new said in the last few pages that hasn't been said six or seven different ways before (on both sides of the issue). Folks stopped listening to each other a looonnnggg time ago in this thread.

If we lose today (which I: (1) sincerely hope doesn't happen; and (2) think unlikely), expect the thread to explode all over again.

No back to your regularly scheduled bashing.

JoeRedskin · 11-04-2012, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

You two are still stuck on conservative play calling means intentionally playing bad. Of course you are also stuck on our secondary (D Hall, Wilson, Atogwe, and Doughty) being great last year. And you talk of other people embarrassing themselves.

It is clear from past arguments that the mere fact that two points are logically mutually exclusive will not prevent Goat from being convinced of the truth of both of them. Further, it is moronic of you to fail to see the correctness of his approach.

skins89moss · 11-04-2012, 05:05 AM

No we should not fire Mike Shanahan , in fact he should get a extention. This shows that as a organization we are commited to our coach and no more revolving doors of coaches. The 2 most important postions of a football team are the HC and QB. Thats why we have be terrible over the last 20 years. To many HC and QB changes, this most stop if we want to have any chance to be competing in the playoffs. Mike , just like Obama has to clean up this shit show that has been going on for 20 plus years. You have to give him time to get it done. Why make a change now after we get our QB. As far as our defense we need to make some changes on that side of the ball this off season. I still like the 3-4 defense we just need more pass rushers and better safeties. Wth a better pass rush our CB would cover better. Also injuries have not helped the defense. So no way should we fire Mike. Get the F out of here if you even think we should.

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11-03-2012, 08:43 PM	#661
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,799	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Is there another coach who would have this team in the playoffs with the same defense, coaching staff, injuries? No __________________ Ready for the Draft.

11-03-2012, 08:59 PM	#665
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? As previously said, I reckon by end of this season most of us (more than half) will be ready to move on from Mike. I hope otherwise because we're winning, but there is absolutely no evidence to believe this regime is making the team more competitive. The folks who try to make that argument end up in ridiculous diatribes about 10-6 vs 5-11 etc etc. Or they just try to diminish other franchises/coaches that have considerably improved within three years of taking over. I'll say the same thing I did last week, the results always speak for themselves. Most fans, regardless of the sport, see winning as the result that matters most. I fit in that group, and do so unabashedly. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

11-03-2012, 09:38 PM	#666
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 48 Posts: 2,917	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Being realistic, this franchise is at least two full offseasons away from building a winner. The trade for RG3 was absolutely the key move to give fans a foundation of hope, but there are still a ton of other holes to fill. IMO, the last thing this franchise needs is another head coaching change. I would prefer to limit Shanny's power on the personnel side, and bring in a GM that has a real say during the offseason.

11-04-2012, 01:52 AM	#671
Bushead Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 695	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? This thread has giving me many headaches this week. Each time I log in, it's still at the top.

11-04-2012, 03:26 AM	#673
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I am with the mods. Let it stay. As Smoot has pointed out, closing it will only cause another one just like it to spring up after a loss. Besides, it gives the seven "Fire Shanny Now" guys a place to vent and tell the rest of us how moronic we are. For me, there hasn't been anything new said in the last few pages that hasn't been said six or seven different ways before (on both sides of the issue). Folks stopped listening to each other a looonnnggg time ago in this thread. If we lose today (which I: (1) sincerely hope doesn't happen; and (2) think unlikely), expect the thread to explode all over again. No back to your regularly scheduled bashing. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

11-04-2012, 05:05 AM	#675
skins89moss Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,956	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? No we should not fire Mike Shanahan , in fact he should get a extention. This shows that as a organization we are commited to our coach and no more revolving doors of coaches. The 2 most important postions of a football team are the HC and QB. Thats why we have be terrible over the last 20 years. To many HC and QB changes, this most stop if we want to have any chance to be competing in the playoffs. Mike , just like Obama has to clean up this shit show that has been going on for 20 plus years. You have to give him time to get it done. Why make a change now after we get our QB. As far as our defense we need to make some changes on that side of the ball this off season. I still like the 3-4 defense we just need more pass rushers and better safeties. Wth a better pass rush our CB would cover better. Also injuries have not helped the defense. So no way should we fire Mike. Get the F out of here if you even think we should. __________________ RGIII the franchise QB we have been waiting for since Mark Rypien leads us to a SuperBowl win over the Bills. Redskins Fan Since 1972

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