Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

Mechanix544 · 11-04-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

This should happen immediately (pasted and modified from another board usually inferior to this one):

1. Fire Haslett.

2. Fire Smith.

3. Get the WRs on the jugs machines.

4. Get the WRs on the jugs machines.

5. Watch tape and figure out who in our secondary doesn't start next week.

6. Bench Riley.

7. Royster, don't count on playing much if Helu's healthy, unless you get your act together.

8. Kyle, I know the drops hurt, but the past two games have still been pretty bad.

9. DL and OL, watch tape and see if anyone needs to sit next to Polumbus on the bench for awhile. Otherwise you guys and Rg3, sorry the rest of the team let you down.

10. Danny Snyder, you know what would make this season the perfect clusterflop? Firing Shanahan even if this season doesn't turn around. Nobody will want to coach here except a Jim Zorn type, and we don't have a team that made the playoffs last season like Zorn did.

Absolutely wrong, Son. Many a coach will want to coach the uber talent known as RG3. Not Many coaches are as inefficient as an aging and overrated Mike Shanahan "lets hire our family" regime, during which time should his OCoordinator screw up, there is NO way he would hold him accountable for letting a rook continually bail his sorry ass out week after week. The only reason we are not 1-9 IS RG3, and you better believe that son, cause the rest of our team hasn't really done ANYTHING to prove otherwise. There is not a coach out there I don't think that wouldn't want an owner willing to spend, and a once in a lifetime talent like RG3. No way you could convince me otherwise, but this is a convo board, so please try.

skinsfaninok · 11-04-2012, 04:58 PM

I want Andy Reid. That's right I said Andy Reid if he's fired.

Coff · 11-04-2012, 04:58 PM

Fire Shanahan, don't fire Shanahan...does it really matter?

DirtBagZ · 11-04-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coff

Fire Shanahan, don't fire Shanahan...does it really matter?

This season is over, it will be a miracle if the team finishes 7-9. After this season it does matter. Obviously the Alfred Morris pick was huge, but how many running backs is Shanahan going to draft each year? With all of the other holes on the team what is the fascination with drafting so many RBs?

You look at the NY Giants in the 2005 Draft the only had four draft picks

2nd Round (43 selection) Correy Webster DB
3rd Round (74 selection) Justin Tuck DE
4th Round (110 selection) Brandon Jacobs RB
6th Round (186 selection) Eric Moore DE

Three of those four were solid hits, Tuck obviously being a big time stud.

The Skins just don't seem to hit on their drafts like that, period, which is why the team is where it is record wise.

HailGreen28 · 11-04-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Absolutely wrong, Son. Many a coach will want to coach the uber talent known as RG3. Not Many coaches are as inefficient as an aging and overrated Mike Shanahan "lets hire our family" regime, during which time should his OCoordinator screw up, there is NO way he would hold him accountable for letting a rook continually bail his sorry ass out week after week. The only reason we are not 1-9 IS RG3, and you better believe that son, cause the rest of our team hasn't really done ANYTHING to prove otherwise. There is not a coach out there I don't think that wouldn't want an owner willing to spend, and a once in a lifetime talent like RG3. No way you could convince me otherwise, but this is a convo board, so please try.

The "Son" part I take offense to. You should retract that, especially if you act too young to remember what a joke the coaching search was that led to Jim Zorn being hired, then promoted to HC not that long ago. After Snyder ditched Fassel and nobody else would come here.

The agreement to fire Cerrato changed perception of Snyder enough to bring in Shanny. Firing him at the end of this season just sends the message that Snyder really hasn't changed since.

CultBrennan59 · 11-04-2012, 05:21 PM

You can fire shanahan all you want but it doesn't solve anything immediately. And being how impatient skins fans are, we'll want the 'new' HC fired by the end of the first season.

Hog1 · 11-04-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Payton is going to Dallas, he lives there and he wants to coach there

Not unless he wants to be Jerra's....Bitch.
Not like a....Real HC gig.

HailGreen28 · 11-04-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Not unless he wants to be Jerra's....Bitch.
Not like a....Real HC gig.

Not saying Garret is better, but thought Jerrah loves Garret and would bring Payton in as an OC? Or am I totally wrong about the current state of Jerry-land? I try not to look there much.

Counter-Tre · 11-04-2012, 05:27 PM

The NFL voided Sean Payton's contract extension making him a free agent after this season. I wouldn't mind seeing him replace Shanny.

Mechanix544 · 11-04-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

You can fire shanahan all you want but it doesn't solve anything immediately. And being how impatient skins fans are, we'll want the 'new' HC fired by the end of the first season.

And here is the new reason. Fire him now, and nothing will happen for another 5 years. Ya, tell that shit to Chuck Pagano walkin. He took a 1-15 team, and they are now 5-3 on a 3 game streak. The team they beat today, the dolphins, have a better record than us in a much tougher division. They are 4-4.

CultBrennan59 · 11-04-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

And here is the new reason. Fire him now, and nothing will happen for another 5 years. Ya, tell that shit to Chuck Pagano walkin. He took a 1-15 team, and they are now 5-3 on a 3 game streak. The team they beat today, the dolphins, have a better record than us in a much tougher division. They are 4-4.

Colts are a great organization. They know what to do, who to get, who to draft, who needs to go. I've been saying for years that this franchise is cursed because when something looks great or right or perfect, we manage to find away to lose that or get rid of it or it gets hurt (or killed; RIP ST).

A person from the future could go and tell us "Here are 4 people; 3 of them are going to take a team to the super bowl, and one of them isn't; pick one." And we would manage to get that one coach that doesn't.

I still say, let shanahan play out his contract. We have 2 more years of him. Thats 2 more years of improving he can do. Now of course its hard for him to improve a team with no first rounder for the next 2 years, but that 'great' coach you all are looking for, is going to go through the same circumstances.

This team just got beat last week by a playoff caliber, always great franchise, in the Steelers and we lost a tough, mostly boring, game today to the panthers, a similar team to us.

Now at the end of the year Haslett must leave, and I believe that will solve a major problem on our defense, because Haslett can't scheme or adjust.

We need to draft depth and defense this year.

And we need to go after similar positions in FA.

Its a slump guys we've lost some games and now everyone wants to point the finger at the HC when their are bigger more obvious issues on this team.

Paintrain · 11-04-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Colts are a great organization. They know what to do, who to get, who to draft, who needs to go. I've been saying for years that this franchise is cursed because when something looks great or right or perfect, we manage to find away to lose that or get rid of it or it gets hurt (or killed; RIP ST).

A person from the future could go and tell us "Here are 4 people; 3 of them are going to take a team to the super bowl, and one of them isn't; pick one." And we would manage to get that one coach that doesn't.

I still say, let shanahan play out his contract. We have 2 more years of him. Thats 2 more years of improving he can do. Now of course its hard for him to improve a team with no first rounder for the next 2 years, but that 'great' coach you all are looking for, is going to go through the same circumstances.

This team just got beat last week by a playoff caliber, always great franchise, in the Steelers and we lost a tough, mostly boring, game today to the panthers, a similar team to us.

Now at the end of the year Haslett must leave, and I believe that will solve a major problem on our defense, because Haslett can't scheme or adjust.

We need to draft depth and defense this year.

And we need to go after similar positions in FA.

Its a slump guys we've lost some games and now everyone wants to point the finger at the HC when their are bigger more obvious issues on this team.

This is a really good point. For the "fire" crowd you want to bring in a new coach with a new system with no first round picks the next two seasons to build with. That's brilliant.

This thread is pointless because Shanahan isn't going anywhere until his contract is out, unless it is of his choosing. Drafting RGIII locked in 2013, nobody is getting fired offensively and risking screwing up the best thing this franchise has had since Sammy Baugh. There will be significant changes on the staff but those wanting a new head coach will be sorely disappointed.

Hog1 · 11-04-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Not saying Garret is better, but thought Jerrah loves Garret and would bring Payton in as an OC? Or am I totally wrong about the current state of Jerry-land? I try not to look there much.

Don't know...problem is Jerry "Straw Bosses" the team and makes way to many Coach like moves and demands...
I would be surprised if that would interest a guy who has had the success that SP has had....

HailGreen28 · 11-04-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Don't know...problem is Jerry "Straw Bosses" the team and makes way to many Coach like moves and demands...
I would be surprised if that would interest a guy who has had the success that SP has had....

Yeah. I think that kind of thing would drive people away there or here. Sean Payton suspended this year regardless, and it's not clear whether he's under contract in NO in 2013, right?

CultBrennan59 · 11-04-2012, 06:15 PM

^ I'm glad you see what I'm saying, now if only I can get more people here to understand that.

Washington Redskins: How Daniel Snyder found his man in Mike Shanahan - The Washington Post

This article will help. This shows you how far and to what great lengths Dan Snyder went to get Mike Shanahan a coach he really wanted. I can only think of Gibbs as the other guy that Snyder had to have. And if you all remember, we had down years with Gibbs, especially after our 'good' year. And if you remember Gibbs left on his own terms with a contract that had a year left and a team that just went to the playoffs. Snyder knows that he has a super bowl winning coach in Shanahan. Sure shanahan hasn't gotten us to the playoffs but he hasn't had a QB or defense or both here. Gibbs always had a defense. Gibbs was here 4 years. Shanahan 3. Gibbs appeared in the playoffs 2 times. His defense was top 12 both times. Shanahan hasn't had that. Shanahan also had a worthless McNabb, Rex Grossman, and John Beck as his QB when he did have a good defense. Now he has a great QB and no defense.

Its simple; Give him his 2 years he has left on his contract, and let him play it out. If he doesn't get us to the playoffs in those 2 years, he's a failed HC experiment for us. If not don't resign him and get a new guy

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11-04-2012, 04:58 PM	#722
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,978	I want Andy Reid. That's right I said Andy Reid if he's fired. __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

11-04-2012, 04:58 PM	#723
Coff Impact Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Halfmoon, NY Posts: 504	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Fire Shanahan, don't fire Shanahan...does it really matter?

11-04-2012, 05:21 PM	#726
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,567	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? You can fire shanahan all you want but it doesn't solve anything immediately. And being how impatient skins fans are, we'll want the 'new' HC fired by the end of the first season. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

11-04-2012, 05:27 PM	#729
Counter-Tre Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Venice Beach, CA Age: 40 Posts: 278	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? The NFL voided Sean Payton's contract extension making him a free agent after this season. I wouldn't mind seeing him replace Shanny.

11-04-2012, 06:15 PM	#735
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,567	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? ^ I'm glad you see what I'm saying, now if only I can get more people here to understand that. Washington Redskins: How Daniel Snyder found his man in Mike Shanahan - The Washington Post This article will help. This shows you how far and to what great lengths Dan Snyder went to get Mike Shanahan a coach he really wanted. I can only think of Gibbs as the other guy that Snyder had to have. And if you all remember, we had down years with Gibbs, especially after our 'good' year. And if you remember Gibbs left on his own terms with a contract that had a year left and a team that just went to the playoffs. Snyder knows that he has a super bowl winning coach in Shanahan. Sure shanahan hasn't gotten us to the playoffs but he hasn't had a QB or defense or both here. Gibbs always had a defense. Gibbs was here 4 years. Shanahan 3. Gibbs appeared in the playoffs 2 times. His defense was top 12 both times. Shanahan hasn't had that. Shanahan also had a worthless McNabb, Rex Grossman, and John Beck as his QB when he did have a good defense. Now he has a great QB and no defense. Its simple; Give him his 2 years he has left on his contract, and let him play it out. If he doesn't get us to the playoffs in those 2 years, he's a failed HC experiment for us. If not don't resign him and get a new guy __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

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