Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

The Goat · 11-04-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?

A serious coach gives you chance at winning any given football game. Notice I didn't say every game. I didn't say a playoff game. I didn't say the Superbowl. Simply, any given football game. I look at it as the most basic level of legitimacy for an HC, can you metaphysically put together a win.

With Mike, the answer is no far too often. Part of the story is what he forced in terms of defense. Part of the story is who he brought in to coach with him. And part of the story is what happens on gameday.

In some games a combination of players, luck and a few decent play-calls makes a win possible, but there are games where Mike Shanahan, for the reasons above, makes winning a metaphysical impossibility. It's why giving him another year or ten is nonsensical. When you're losing because of your coach, you need a new coach.

The Goat · 11-04-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Shanahan seems to have a good track record with offensive talent?

Yes. Shanahan is deserving of a RB scout position, or maybe overall offensive player scout position. But he shouldn't be in any position to make personnel decisions.

punch it in · 11-04-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Shanahan: 'Now we get a chance to evaluate players' | CSN Washington

Have to say I'm extremely disappointed in Mike saying what he did at the presser. Basically throwing in the towel on the season. That's a sure fire way to lose the players. Realistically we know he's speaking the truth, but that needs to be said once you are mathematically out of the playoffs.

Did he mean evaluate talent as in the starters and seeing which of them are going to fight and which of them arent? Or evaluate talent in a training camp - lets check out the young guys way?

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Slingin Sammy 33 · 11-04-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He's obviously a good coach, he won two SBs. Maybe hes just not right for Washington? Who knows but what is a fact is this team hasn't gotten better in the win column since he's been here

He WAS a good coach with a HOF QB and an innovative system in the late 90s.

Now he's blinded tto the fact that his "system" is something everyone has seen and knows how to counter. Other than that, he's got nothing but his son's gimmicks, which don't work consistently because he has success with a play and runs it and/or it's variants 10 times in a row, the D figures it out and then it's shot.

JJ or Terry made a great comment at halftime, that the 4th down RG3 run that got stuffed at the 2 everyone knew was coming. The predictability in playcalling hasn't changed in 3 1/2 years.

Defensively, losing 2 starting safeties, Orakpo & Carriker is a problem....but the only real impact has been the safeties. The CBs are healthy, albeit terrible, and MS is in charge of personnel....this is 100% his shootin' match, personnel and all.

I'm not fixated on record, I'm fixated on improvement....outside of RG3 there has been no drastic improvement in this team. Our OL is still middle of the road and weak at RT. Our D front 7 is solid, but our secondary is a wreck. This team is undisciplined.

It's time for a change at the end of the season. Give Bruce Allen the GM reigns and find a coach who's wants to coach, not be a personnel guy. No retreads either (Cowher/Gruden), get a well respected coordinator or college coach who can make the transition.

NC_Skins · 11-04-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Did he mean evaluate talent as in the starters and seeing which of them are going to fight and which of them arent? Or evaluate talent in a training camp - lets check out the young guys way?

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My guess is he's going to be evaluating the starters to see which ones are going to stay and which ones are going to go. Williams and Hall a definitely goners. At this point, you have to move on without Fletcher as well unless something drastically changes. ALL of our draft picks next year better be defense.(with RT being the exception)

Bushead · 11-04-2012, 10:00 PM

I was calling for this thread to be closed last week and now it makes sense to keep it up.

SFREDSKIN · 11-04-2012, 10:12 PM

While we are it pilling it on Shanahan, he cost Obama the election according to the Redskin rule.

punch it in · 11-04-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

My guess is he's going to be evaluating the starters to see which ones are going to stay and which ones are going to go. Williams and Hall a definitely goners. At this point, you have to move on without Fletcher as well unless something drastically changes. ALL of our draft picks next year better be defense.(with RT being the exception)

Totally agree with everything. I guess im questioning him throwing in the towel. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that what he meant was - " now that our season is in serious jeopardy it is going to give us a chance to evaluate which of these guys fights and which doesnt. "
Did I just defend Shanahan? I better get some sleep. Between the hurricane and watching that game today I think I am mentally and physically exhausted.

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punch it in · 11-04-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushead

I was calling for this thread to be closed last week and now it makes sense to keep it up.

LONG LIVE THE PHOENIX!

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CrustyRedskin · 11-04-2012, 10:25 PM

Btw. This has been the easiest first half schedule the skins have seen in many years. Whata waste.

skinsfaninok · 11-04-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Btw. This has been the easiest first half schedule the skins have seen in many years. Whata waste.

How? The giants, bucs, vikings, Steelers and falcons are all better than us

CrustyRedskin · 11-04-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

How? The giants, bucs, vikings, Steelers and falcons are all better than us

I see that after the last few weeks. After beating NO, figured wins vs Rams, Cinci, Vikes, Bucs, Car and maybe Gmen. Had leads late vs NY and Atl. All for not. Rams will get a nice pick.

NC_Skins · 11-04-2012, 10:42 PM

If we are going to lose, I say we hire Jim Mora. At least the post game pressers would be entertaining.

skinsfaninok · 11-04-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If we are going to lose, I say we hire Jim Mora. At least the post game pressers would be entertaining.

Lol

punch it in · 11-04-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If we are going to lose, I say we hire Jim Mora. At least the post game pressers would be entertaining.

Great. That stays in my head for a solid hour if I even think about it.

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Bushead Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 695	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I was calling for this thread to be closed last week and now it makes sense to keep it up.

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SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,501	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? While we are it pilling it on Shanahan, he cost Obama the election according to the Redskin rule. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

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